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posted by mrpg on Monday April 01 2019, @12:35PM   Printer-friendly
from the yes dept.

Submitted via IRC for Runaway1956

A school in Indiana has been criticised for apparently shooting teachers "execution style" with pellets as part of an "active-shooter drill". The case has reignited conversations about the usefulness of drills and the methods used to prepare schools for shootings.

[...] Many experts agree that discussing and practising how to respond to a dangerous situation will help protect students who find themselves faced with the real thing. Fire drills, for example, are well established tools to teach children how to behave in a potentially life-threatening situation.

[...] While more realistic and stressful situations may be appropriate here, he says "large-scale, prolonged, realistic drills are not ideal" for children.

[...] "Children being asked to pose as victims on the floor covered in fake blood is just pointless and can be traumatising, I can't see why that's necessary."

Source: US school shootings: Have drills gone too far?


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by pkrasimirov on Monday April 01 2019, @12:44PM (24 children)

    by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @12:44PM (#823043)

    Holy crap, what about adding charred disfigured bodies during the fire drills? Or screaming and jumping people just for the kicks!

    I wonder what kind of autism it takes to organize this.

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  • (Score: 2) by Revek on Monday April 01 2019, @01:53PM (2 children)

    by Revek (5022) on Monday April 01 2019, @01:53PM (#823070)

    why do you think autism has something to do with this. Looks like NT behavior to me.

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    • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Monday April 01 2019, @02:32PM (1 child)

      by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @02:32PM (#823083)

      No idea on the diagnosis really, I am nowhere near qualified to decide. But it looks so obvious deviation to me that it has to be a medical condition.

      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday April 01 2019, @04:19PM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Monday April 01 2019, @04:19PM (#823126) Journal

        Obsessive-Compulsive Death-focused Law Enforcement? The kind searching for the banned Video from a recent event by some nobody, for "educational purposes". Titillation. Perverts. Gun-based perverts.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @02:00PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @02:00PM (#823072)

    It isn't autism, it is NHST (like AB testing). They did some research and saw a "significant" change in some behavior after exposing people to this stuff. Then they go on to conclude everyone should be doing it. There is no actual consideration of costs or risks or other explanations, that gets a couple handwaving paragraphs at the end at best.

    People refuse to believe when I mention how retarded most of what medical research advises doctors to do is at this point, but it is at the same level. It is institutionalized idiocy.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:10PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:10PM (#823146)

      Medical research will improve, but only when we are able to synthesize the necessary organs to do proper medical experiments. Things like the heart cells on a chip for testing toxicity to the heart as an example.

      One of the often forgotten legacies of WWII is that we no longer permit doctors to perform the necessary sorts of research to really determine what medical treatments work. We have to do proof via induction and we can't do longitudinal studies in cases where the treatment appears to work because it's unethical to deny effective treatments due in large part to the Tuskegee experiments relating to syphilis.

      But yeah, right now a lot of those medical recommendations are based on little or dubious work. Sodium and cholesterol recommendations are largely based on fiction.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:36PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:36PM (#823156)

        I looked into the RDA for magnesium the other day and it was based on very limited data available for a couple dozen people in the 1990s. Further, it was twice as high as a later study indicated.

        And all values relied on the dubious assumption that everyone should consume exactly enough so that consumption - excretion = 0.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:35AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:35AM (#823357) Journal

          The need for magnesium varies by person. Something about my past traumas seems to have rewired whatever systems (am guessing the HPA axis and the associated mineralocorticoid regulation pathways) handle my electrolytes, the result being at least 600mg a day as citrate is necessary for optimal function. Sure as hell the soil doesn't have anywhere near as much as it used to...

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @02:13PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @02:13PM (#823076)

    It teaches acting. It's fun. It may be effective.

    On the other hand, it's not math or reading. There are too damn many distractions in school. Far too often, gets get marched off to do some weird shit. From my childhood I remember a day watching model rockets, a presentation by prostitutes and drug addicts about how everybody can get HIV (uh...), some sort of school sports cheering pep rally thing, a dude unicycling and miming on the stage, and fire drills in a school where every classroom had an exterior door. It's a huge waste of time.

    • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Monday April 01 2019, @03:28PM

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Monday April 01 2019, @03:28PM (#823102)

      That sounds like one crazy day of school.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bussdriver on Monday April 01 2019, @02:28PM (3 children)

    by bussdriver (6876) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @02:28PM (#823081)

    Not even remotely autistic. Sadistic maybe... but most likely unimaginative low IQ people who are ignorant but quite confident in their attempt and motivated by altruism/righteousness.

    It's most likely Dunning-Kruger.

    Good righteous ignorant people can be as dangerous as evil people.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday April 01 2019, @04:10PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @04:10PM (#823121) Journal

      > Good righteous ignorant people can be as dangerous as evil people.

      Sometimes even more.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Nobuddy on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:55PM

        by Nobuddy (1626) on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:55PM (#823605)

        A good man will do good.
        An evil man will do evil.
        For a good man to do evil requires religion. -Bertrand Russell

    • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Monday April 01 2019, @09:02PM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Monday April 01 2019, @09:02PM (#823260)

      You're not kidding [www.lfg.co]. The only thing that can stand up to a good guy with a sword is another misinformed good guy with a sword in the heat of battle.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Farkus888 on Monday April 01 2019, @04:50PM (7 children)

    by Farkus888 (5159) on Monday April 01 2019, @04:50PM (#823136)

    I've been seeing this a lot lately. As an autistic person, I definitely understand why the LGBT community was offended by gay being the insult for everything. You show no understanding of what autism is. It is just a word you use for generic bad outsider. Sometimes people a lot like you do bad things. That is ok. There isn't any need to give them a label you aren't part of to make yourself feel better.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:18PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:18PM (#823149)

      I'm not sure offended is the right word here. The use of terms like that to insult people is dehumanizing and degrading. Offensive is a much broader term that includes things that aren't particularly harmful to others, simply just things that hurt their feelings or cause them to feel disrespected.

      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday April 01 2019, @10:57PM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday April 01 2019, @10:57PM (#823302)

        The use of terms like that to insult people is dehumanizing and degrading.

        The dehumanizing bit seems like the key thing to me. If someone is not quite human, they're easy to hate.

    • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Tuesday April 02 2019, @10:43AM (4 children)

      by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 02 2019, @10:43AM (#823545)

      Perhaps you added a few grains of assumption to the text I wrote. Not only to the _why_ part but also to _what_ I actually wrote. I won't go into debuffing your claims one by one nor I want to share personal details about myself.

      I wish you a nice day!

      • (Score: 2) by Farkus888 on Tuesday April 02 2019, @11:54AM (2 children)

        by Farkus888 (5159) on Tuesday April 02 2019, @11:54AM (#823563)

        Perhaps I read you wrong, that is part of the whole thing. I stand by what I said in general though. I have been seeing it far too often. Maybe they are just shitty people, maybe they just didn't think about it. I had to have the gay thing explained to me so I won't judge. Today I know someone using gay as an insult is shitty. I want the same thing for autism.

        • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Tuesday April 02 2019, @02:05PM (1 child)

          by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 02 2019, @02:05PM (#823616)

          I support you in what you said in general, and also I fully agree with that:
          > using gay as an insult is shitty. I want the same thing for autism.

          I don't know how's it in your part of the world but around here calling someone autist is nowhere near pejorative. I mean people just don't use it when trying to offend someone, they usually go for "gay" and racist slurs. Of course there are always some bright persons, as everywhere. I remember a story when two boys were laughing to a person because he's blind... but it is so absurd so it got famous. So yeah, sorry to hear about your experiences with this kind of people.

          • (Score: 2) by Farkus888 on Tuesday April 02 2019, @07:58PM

            by Farkus888 (5159) on Tuesday April 02 2019, @07:58PM (#823762)

            It isn't my experience in the real world that is the problem. In the real world once anyone gets past the initial awkwardness they are almost always nice. I can only think of one example and they are a generally mean person anyway. It is internet comments, because internet comments are where everyone encounters the worst people they'll see all day.

      • (Score: 2) by Nobuddy on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:57PM

        by Nobuddy (1626) on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:57PM (#823610)

        Perhaps you came across wrong. what did you mean by "how autistic do you have to be" in your comment?

  • (Score: 4, Touché) by isostatic on Monday April 01 2019, @09:37PM (2 children)

    by isostatic (365) on Monday April 01 2019, @09:37PM (#823268) Journal

    I've done similar courses with very realistic injuries. But that's as an adult voluntarily deploying (as a civilian) into a warzone.

    Are U.S. schools warzones?

    • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Tuesday April 02 2019, @10:45AM

      by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 02 2019, @10:45AM (#823548)

      > adult voluntarily
      Yeah, that makes all the difference between a pleasure and a horrible crime in many life situations.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 02 2019, @02:02PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 02 2019, @02:02PM (#823613) Journal

      Are U.S. schools warzones?

      Not sure. Does being occupied by armed uniformed troops qualify? I'm about tired of hearing of "school resources officers" doing this, that, or something else. In another era, we had teachers dealing with all of our problems. If it was too big a problem for your average teacher, the coach/phys ed/health teacher was called in.