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posted by martyb on Sunday April 07 2019, @02:43AM   Printer-friendly
from the Gotta-ban-them-all dept.

An Australian Parliamentary committee has recommended that petrol and diesel cars be phased out in favour of electric vehicles in a report. This is not yet law but shows that the government is serious about reducing the dependency Australia has on oil and reducing greenhouse emissions.


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  • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Sunday April 07 2019, @09:03AM (8 children)

    by TheRaven (270) on Sunday April 07 2019, @09:03AM (#825697) Journal
    There are two big reasons to want to move to electrical vehicles. The first is, as you say, that it moves the pollution. Air quality in towns and cities is a big problem and has a measurable negative impact on life expectancy. Even if there's no net change in pollution, moving it away from people is a good thing, though in general it's a lot more efficient to have a small number of large power plants than a lot of tiny ones: even factoring in transmission losses, it's a lot more efficient.

    The second advantage is that it makes you a lot more agile in terms of both ends of the supply chain. A petrol engine runs on petrol, and often only on a fairly narrow range of refined hydrocarbons within that broad designation. Moving to unleaded petrol, for example, required gradually phasing in the supply side for the fuel and it took years before most places that sold leaded petrol also sold unleaded. It took well over a decade to then upgrade all of the cars on the road to support the new (but almost identical) fuel. In contrast, with EVs you can connect any kind of power plant to the grid and they can all consume the power. That agility also works at the other end: you can deploy cars with new battery technologies without needing any changes to the energy distribution infrastructure.

    In terms of other efficiencies, while the batteries contain some quite unpleasant chemicals, the rest of the drive train is orders of magnitude simpler. Most of the complexity of an internal combustion engine is simply not present in an electric vehicle. The batteries are largely recycled now and, while it's somewhat annoying to recycle individual batteries in consumer electronics, disposing of a vehicle battery is not something that individuals will ever do, so can be handled in the same way that you dispose of any other part of a vehicle: via the repair and scrap supply chains. People may throw mobile phone batteries in the rubbish, but they won't do the same with car-sized batteries.

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @09:58AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @09:58AM (#825707)

    Air quality in towns and cities is a big problem

    "Towns AND cities"... You really THAT dumb, or just too used to not THINK when repeating soundbites?

    A megalopolis WILL stink no matter what - as the stink production grows with the area, and dissipation, only with the circumference. Make a human warren enormous enough, and the exhale of inmates themselves will combine into intolerable pollution.
    For the same reason, average european city has NO problem with air quality, cars of no cars. Just DON'T stack people ten and twenty layers onto one another's heads, and you are golden. Never mind the even smaller towns.

    Learn some physics, people. It is much more healthy than ignorant politics.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by TheRaven on Sunday April 07 2019, @12:17PM (1 child)

      by TheRaven (270) on Sunday April 07 2019, @12:17PM (#825740) Journal
      I live in a relatively small European (British) city, with a population of around 100,000. It has the highest number of cyclists per capita of any British city and more than half of the population cycle to work, a lot more walk or take public transport. The council is under pressure to introduce a congestion charge because air pollution caused by road vehicles is above the recommended safe level.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @03:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @03:21PM (#825798)

        This ploy was invented before the wheel was.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @01:09PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @01:09PM (#825758)

      "Towns AND cities"... You really THAT dumb, or just too used to not THINK when repeating soundbites

      Air quality matters everywhere, and can be negatively affected anywhere there are ICE or power plants. If you think (and I use that term generously) that vehicle exhaust doesn't affect air quality I have some super efficient and environmentally friendly VWs diesels to sell you.

      Back under your bridge, you trolling shill (or is it shilling troll?)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @03:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 07 2019, @03:27PM (#825801)

        No intelligence even for a credible insult however, let alone a reasoned argument. Pity.

    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday April 07 2019, @02:07PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Sunday April 07 2019, @02:07PM (#825779) Homepage Journal

      I hear that Europeans have very serious problems with Smug.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Sunday April 07 2019, @11:01AM

    by Bot (3902) on Sunday April 07 2019, @11:01AM (#825720) Journal

    > People may throw mobile phone batteries in the rubbish, but they won't do the same with car-sized batteries.
    the Italians: challenge accepted...

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  • (Score: 2) by Acabatag on Monday April 08 2019, @04:30AM

    by Acabatag (2885) on Monday April 08 2019, @04:30AM (#826073)

    The batteries are largely recycled now and

    Let's wait and see how that scales up. It's a small scale thing at present. When a large percentage of vehicles have huge masses of battery that need recycling, it might not be a clean-n-easy deal.