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posted by mrpg on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the hic dept.

Major study debunks myth that moderate drinking can be healthy.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

LONDON (Reuters) - Blood pressure and stroke risk rise steadily the more alcohol people drink, and previous claims that one or two drinks a day might protect against stroke are not true, according to the results of a major genetic study.

The research, which used data from a 160,000-strong cohort of Chinese adults, many of whom are unable to drink alcohol due to genetic intolerance, found that people who drink moderately - consuming 10 to 20 grams of alcohol a day - raise their risk of stroke by 10 to 15 percent.

For heavy drinkers, consuming four or more drinks a day, blood pressure rises significantly and the risk of stroke increases by around 35 percent, the study found.

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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:53AM (14 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:53AM (#827783) Journal

    The deleterious effects of alcohol (and tobacco, and various drugs) are well-known. I have made a lifestyle choice to abstain from these substances. If I have one vice it's caffeine, but that one's at least socially acceptable.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @06:16AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @06:16AM (#827787)

    Uppers are for scumbags. I would much prefer someone who desires downers.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:04AM (3 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:04AM (#827802) Journal

    The deleterious effects of alcohol (and tobacco, and various drugs) are well-known. I have made a lifestyle choice to abstain from these substances

    Your comments occasionally show a predisposition to depression.

    If you feel it's true, stay clear of nicotine: for many enough, it is an effective anxiolytic and antidepressant [nih.gov], but it's highly addictive (and withdrawal will increase the severity of anxiety/depression [racgp.org.au]).

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:54AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:54AM (#827823)

      I suppose whoever modded it funny didn't stay away from some euphorics.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:55PM (1 child)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:55PM (#828046) Journal

      What people call depression is a perfectly rational (and unavoidable) response to the reality around them. I tend to keep it under control by not allowing myself to get too tired, underfed, overfed, or anxious; large doses of magnesium and aminoethanesulfonic acid (taurine) as well as coenzyme forms of the B vitamins seem to be the most effective way to do this.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:26PM (#828089)

        What people call depression is a perfectly rational (and unavoidable) response to the reality around them.

        That reminds me of a signature I've once seen:

        "I'm a realistic optimist. That's why I appear slightly pessimistic."

        But on a more serious point: Not everything people call a depression is a depression. A real depression is an actual illness.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @11:53AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @11:53AM (#827849)

    - Patient: Doctor, I want to live as long as possible please give me some advice.
    - Doctor: Do you smoke?
    - Patient: No.
    - Doctor: Do you drink?
    - Patient: No.
    - Doctor: Do you have a lot of sexual partners?
    - Patient: No.
    - Doctor: Why do you want a long life?

    • (Score: 2) by gtomorrow on Thursday April 11 2019, @12:05PM

      by gtomorrow (2230) on Thursday April 11 2019, @12:05PM (#827853)

      +1 Ain't it the truth!

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:36PM

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:36PM (#828025) Journal

      Considering the patient in that joke didn't do those 3 things, he was already ahead of the curve. The "party lifestyle" isn't all it's cracked up to be. Just ask all the strung out celebrities. They have fame, wealth, and party like it's 1699. Yet, for all their wealth and "living it up", they're still missing something.

      --
      Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:21PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:21PM (#828275) Journal

      Well, I know the joke a bit different:

      A reporter interviews a hundred-year old: "How did you manage to get to such a great age?"

      "I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I don't change sexual partners."

      Suddenly there's a noise from the next room. Startled, the reporter asks: "What was that?"

      "Oh, that's just my father. He's drunken all the time."

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 2, Informative) by TheSage on Thursday April 11 2019, @12:22PM

    by TheSage (133) on Thursday April 11 2019, @12:22PM (#827861) Journal

    The deleterious effects of alcohol [...] are well-known.

    This is not quite true. For moderate alcohol consumption the evidence seems to suggest several competing effects. E.g. cancer risk may go up, but cardiovascular problems probably go down. The overall effect seems to be beneficial. If you are into podcasts, I found a good summary here https://www.gimletmedia.com/science-vs/alcohol-a-pour-decision [gimletmedia.com] .

    OTOH, I applaud your decision to abstain from alcohol - I had to witness my father drink himself to death - but you may want to find a different reason for it.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:30PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:30PM (#828015)

    Azuma Hazuki . . . socially acceptable.

    There's a joke hidden in there somewhere.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:33PM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:33PM (#828094) Journal

      Was that supposed to hurt? Here's a clue: being well-adjusted to a sick society is not wellness; it is merely conformity. Have you looked around and seen what "normal" people act like? I may not be "normal" but in a hell of a lot of ways my abnormalities are better than the norm.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday April 11 2019, @06:09PM

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 11 2019, @06:09PM (#828151) Journal

        OK. But being depressed isn't a helpful reaction. Denying reality isn't good, but if you're depressed you're less inclined to do what you can to improve things (personally, socially, or both).

        That said, I wouldn't recommend drugs as the best approach unless there's a medical problem. Mindfullness can improve your outlook, but there's evidence that it decreases your desire to act. (But does it do that as much as the depression it counteracts? Haven't heard of any studies.) Personally, I've worked up a mixture of variety of meditations that improves my outlook without decreasing (too much) my desire to act....or possibly it lowers the bars against action, so I'm more willing to act. The problem is it takes a great deal of time in the first month or so to get things set up. It's a mixture of meditations on my internal state and meditations on my enjoyment of the world. (An example of the latter would be the old song "The best things in life are free", but you need to pick one that suits YOUR mental state, and be willing to change it when your state changes.)

        OTOH, I'm retired now, so I can set my schedule. This whole program is a lot more difficult in the midst of family and job. But drugs are still a poor answer. Socially, however, banning them causes more problems than it solves. Just ban advertising them.

        --
        Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @04:32AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @04:32AM (#828478)

        [...] Here's a clue: being well-adjusted to a sick society is not wellness; it is merely conformity. [...]

        It's also called "being a resident of Yakima, WA".

        https://www.yakimawa.gov/ [yakimawa.gov]