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posted by martyb on Thursday April 11 2019, @12:06PM   Printer-friendly
from the disease-outbreak-spotted dept.

If using the law to corral antivaxxers doesn’t work at first, try, try again. At least, that seems to be the lesson learned by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio. On Tuesday, he declared a state of emergency and mandated residents of the Williamsburg neighborhood, where an outbreak of measles has been raging since last fall, get vaccinated for the viral disease. Those who choose not to will risk the penalty of a $1,000 fine.

https://gizmodo.com/new-york-city-orders-williamsburg-residents-to-get-vacc-1833917175


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  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:20PM (2 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:20PM (#828319) Journal

    Excuse me as I have no time to delve deep into these but a cursory glance talks about REPORTED stuff.
    A better stats is done by observing X guys, seeing how many get measles, and see how many end up with complications. Because the rate I see in the '63 study is harsh compared to my 1970s experience (vaccination only for only polio, tbc and tetanus) with measles AND rubella AND parotitis and a couple others.

    Translate and look at this, instead.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190411221522/https://www.sanita.puglia.it/documents/36126/4921952/Sorveglianza+degli+eventi+avversi+a+vaccino+in+Puglia+Report+2013-2017/9db6decb-5aaf-426f-b8fe-c9474e9e8468 [archive.org]

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:59PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:59PM (#828356)

    Excuse me as I have no time to delve deep into these but a cursory glance talks about REPORTED stuff.
    A better stats is done by observing X guys, seeing how many get measles, and see how many end up with complications. Because the rate I see in the '63 study is harsh compared to my 1970s experience (vaccination only for only polio, tbc and tetanus) with measles AND rubella AND parotitis and a couple others.

    Yes, those are the ~15% of cases that got reported which would tend to be worse on average. I suspect there were even some cases of measles with no classic rash, etc.

    Is there some easy way to translate that I am missing?

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday April 13 2019, @09:31AM

      by Bot (3902) on Saturday April 13 2019, @09:31AM (#828919) Journal

      page 26 of the state bureaucracy sponsored pdf, whose summary says vaccination is good so is quite devoid of antivax bias, tells about a 4 percent GRAVE adverse reactions when you ACTIVELY monitor the subjects, and a causality assessment of 75%. So 3 out of 100 kids had grave problems with that multivaccine shot and that is 300x the figure passive surveillance yields. So, what happens in practice?

      - *shot*
      - a week later
      - Doctor my daughter is expelling green stuff, might it be the papilloma shot she had earlier?
      - I don't think so, there are no reports of this. Anyway take these medicines that treat the symptom.

      and nothing gets reported.

      The Italian army also had a pretty big investigation over enriched uranium and illnesses getting soldiers killed with cancer and sclerosis. It uncovered vaccines for guys sent in war zone as a pretty suspicious correlation, more than exposure to uranium itself.

      But all of these is irrelevant.
      Fact: our governments don't care about illnesses, because they let illegals in without quarantine, with the full propaganda machine of the mainstream media AND the arts world devoted to the cause.
      Fact: pharmaceutical industry treats people like cattle, because any other industry big enough does, because they are the operative branch of the biggest scam ever, the financial system.

      If you consider these two facts, there are two possible outcomes: Vaccines are not as safe and contribute to control of population in number and stamina. OR The antivax movement is a fraud to make people get less vaccinations, so you can point the finger at them when immigrants bring old and new illnesses in their new country of adoption. Pulling stats that you didn't contribute or closely monitor is ultimately IRRELEVANT.

      Now, go ahead and label me right wing nazi aryan supremacist about to go on a shooting spree, that's what the propaganda wants you to think and I am not even bothering justifying my position, it does not work.

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