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posted by martyb on Saturday April 13 2019, @05:36PM   Printer-friendly
from the let's-talk-about-it dept.

Packt reports that Gab's Dissenter browser extension was removed from Mozilla's Firefox add-ons on April 10th (people already using it can continue to do so), and was booted from Google's Chrome browser the next day. Gab pitches itself as an anti-censorship social media platform that only prohibits speech that is illegal. Their Dissenter browser extension and associated website allow people to share comments about any webpage, giving users the ability to share comments on articles, videos, etc., regardless of whether or not the website hosting the content has a comments section. Mozilla's rationale for the ban was that Dissenter was being used to promote violence, hate speech, and discrimination, but they failed to show any examples to bolster that claim. Gab plans to develop their own browser in response.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Lester on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:40PM (18 children)

    by Lester (6231) on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:40PM (#829099) Journal

    was being used to promote violence, hate speech, and discrimination

    They should ban Twitter for Trump.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @09:05PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @09:05PM (#829110)

    Banter isn't incitement, this is incitement. [twitter.com] It's certainly against Twitter rules and likely fails the Brandenburg test. [freespeechdebate.com] The law is clear [cornell.edu] and the results of such rhetoric readily observable. [dailywire.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @10:47PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @10:47PM (#829149)

      You are full of shit, and the fickle, capricious law is an ass!

      The actor alone is responsible for his actions. There is no one else to fault for the choices he makes. "Incitement" is bullshit. I can read all that jihad/Trump crap and not get the least bit excited. If I can, everybody can, so fuck this "incitement" nonsense!

      I hope Gab becomes truly bulletproof, to stop the fascist crybabies once and foe all! It is very good to see them still up and running in the face of tyranny!

      Don't fear the preacher, fear his followers!

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:23PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:23PM (#829158)

        You are full of shit, and the fickle, capricious law is an ass!

        No.

        The actor alone is responsible for his actions.

        I agree but we acknowledge the plight of the feeble minded and easily manipulated. [businessinsider.com] We have incitement laws because some people are not very bright. As a society, we protect these people and punish those who would prey upon them.

        • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:57PM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:57PM (#829170)

          I agree but we acknowledge the plight of the feeble minded and easily manipulated.

          But we shant! We have to defend ourselves against the feeble minded and easily manipulated! Lest we all become feeble minded and easily manipulated, and have them lead us to ruin. Majority rule is proving how dangerous they are.. This is not good. Idiocracy is not far off if we acquiesce to the feeble minded and easily manipulated. They will be the end of us.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:20AM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:20AM (#829199)

            We have to defend ourselves against the feeble minded and easily manipulated!

            No, we defend ourselves against those doing the manipulation. Afford sympathy to those you believe to have been mislead but never condescension because history proves that even the best of us are capable of being deceived.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:45AM (7 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:45AM (#829206)

              Don't care. Your way is too arbitrary. People must be held responsible for the choices they make. You're just trying to justify censorship. Censorship is always fascist. We must defeat it using any means possible.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:32AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:32AM (#829325)

                The OP, easily manipulated, needs to be protected from his own gulliblity and cognitive dissonance.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:17PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:17PM (#829337)

                  Nah, I'm a libertarian (liberal, anti-authoritarian), you? [simplypsychology.org]

                  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Monday April 15 2019, @12:37PM

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Monday April 15 2019, @12:37PM (#829777) Journal

                    Nah, Libertarians are amoung the most gullible people, when it comes to overpriced "survival rations in a bucket" or really, really old Chinese AK rounds, and "Land in Idaho". In fact, the best mark for a con, is another con. Said this in that movie, The Sting [imdb.com]

                    I hear Khallow has great deals on backhoe futures! Or was it, "pasts"? Tulips? Brexits? Or Kellogg's High Colonics?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:14PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:14PM (#829336)

                People must be held responsible for the choices they make

                Yes and incitement is an inchoate offense -- not a protected form of self expression.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @01:15AM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @01:15AM (#829567)

                  That is bullshit. Speech is not incitement. It cannot compel action against one's will. You must choose to act, and you cannot blame others for your choices. You alone are to blame. There is no justification for censorship. It is always fascist. We must end it. I don't care how.

                  However! Do keep it down please...

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @12:11PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @12:11PM (#829769)

                    That is bullshit

                    Wrong [crimemuseum.org]

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @10:43PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @10:43PM (#830139)

                      You can repeat the bullshit all you want. It's still bullshit, on the internet.

                      Censorship is fascist.. It must be defeated. It's for the lack of personal will that we need technology to do the job, so that maybe one individual's invention can free us all from the tyranny of the majority.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:29AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:29AM (#829203)

      CBS deleted their tweet, they did a follow up [archive.is] - also deleted but I'm sure late readers get the idea.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @02:22AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @02:22AM (#829209)

      Searching for the missing twitter page eventually led me to a demotivational type picture with a tough-looking African-American and the caption "It's time to punch a few nazis".
      While possibly an incitement to violence, I don't think it would fail the Brandenburg test.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:07AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:07AM (#829318)

        While possibly an incitement to violence, I don't think it would fail the Brandenburg test.

        Here it is. [twitter.com]

        "The Overton window doesn't mean shit unless it comes with some enforcement. So yeah, this is enforcement. It's time to punch a few nazis."

        How is that not direct incitement? Who qualifies as a nazi? [timesofisrael.com] Perhaps the two "white supremacist" Nigerian brothers that "attacked" Jussie Smollett? How about Ilhan Omar [jpost.com] or Ralph Northam? [ijr.com]

        While major app stores remove twitter apps on the basis that the platform is "being used to promote violence", it would also be helpful if CBS could clarify and provide a list of individuals that they'd like to see punched!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:31PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:31PM (#829411)

          Part of the Brandenburg test is that it be immediate. Screaming in a antifa's face "That guy's a Nazi, quick punch him, go on, fucking kill him you pussy!!" in the midst of a demonstration would be immediate. Posting on the web, no so much.
          I think the reasoning is that if you have time to stop and consider your actions, you are responsible for them. Following orders in the heat of the moment, the person giving the orders is at least partly responsible.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:18PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:18PM (#829435)

            Part of the Brandenburg test is that it be immediate.

            The wording is "imminent" which Antifa violence surely is. [westernfreepress.com]

            if you have time to stop and consider your actions, you are responsible for them.

            Yet a large media corporation promoting felony assault is not responsible for their actions? Doubtful CBS lawyers will see it like that.