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posted by mrpg on Monday April 15 2019, @12:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the thank-you-jesus! dept.

For the first time "No Religion" has topped a survey of Americans' religious identity, according to a new analysis by a political scientist. The non-religious edged out Catholics and evangelicals in the long-running General Social Survey.

Ryan Burge, a political scientist at Eastern Illinois University and a Baptist pastor, found that 23.1% of Americans now claim no religion.

Catholics came in at 23.0%, and evangelicals were at 22.5%.

The three groups remain within the margin of error of each other though, making it a statistical tie. Over 2,000 people were interviewed in person for the survey.

[...] "We are seeing the rise of a generation of Americans who are hungry for facts and curious about the world," she says.

There are now as many Americans who claim no religion as there are evangelicals and Catholics, a survey finds

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday April 15 2019, @05:03AM (7 children)

    I thought that when I was younger, but I see people believing some pretty obviously ridiculous and downright suicidal things (for society and individual lives) these days. If people don't get their direction for what is important from church, then they get it from popular media, corporate agendas, and the echo chambers of social media / internet.

    An interesting, if flawed argument. Yes, some folks aren't so bright and are often led astray by those who would manipulate them, for money, power, self-aggrandizement or some combination thereof.

    However, using demonstrably false belief systems as a structure for society is lunacy in a world that now has a much better understanding of the universe in which we live.

    This [youtube.com] provides some context:

    The first men and women were hunters and nomads, awed and frightened by a world they did not understand. They invested great energy in rituals, sacrifices, temples, tombs. And with religion came gods and god-kings, magicians and priests."

    We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can (aside from fiction and fantasy to tickle our imaginations and stretch our ideas of what is possible) cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.

    Failing to do so does no service to those who are easily swayed or manipulated. Rather, it just perpetuates magical thinking and intellectual maturity.

    --
    No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
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  • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday April 15 2019, @05:17AM (2 children)

    Failing to do so does no service to those who are easily swayed or manipulated. Rather, it just perpetuates magical thinking and intellectual maturity.

    Argh! That should read:

    Failing to do so does no service to those who are easily swayed or manipulated. Rather, it just perpetuates magical thinking and intellectual immaturity.

    --
    No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday April 15 2019, @04:20PM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday April 15 2019, @04:20PM (#829909) Homepage
      Yup, that mistake raised a titter. So, to return the mild enjoyment, here are some extracts of my .sig file that came from the green site or here:

      > I'd argue that there is much evidence for the existence of a God.
      Pics or it didn't happen.
      -- Tom (/. uid 822)

      I don't recall Sagan ever having conducted television services on Sunday
      morning, and I know that Stephen Jay Gould never rang my doorbell asking
      me for a few minutes of my time, and for the life of me I can't remember
      Bertrand Russell ever coming up to me on the street and asking me if I
      had let Reason into my heart. -- cje (/. id. 33931)

      I do not think, therefore He is.
      -- Noughmad on /.

      Religion is the best way to heal a world deeply and violently divided by religion
      -- DannyB on SoylentNews (2018/11)
      --
      Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday April 15 2019, @03:13PM (3 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday April 15 2019, @03:13PM (#829861) Homepage
    > We are no longer hunters and nomads. [...] cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.

    Beautifully worded - may I snarf that, with attribution of course, for rotation in my usenet .sig file?
    --
    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday April 15 2019, @04:04PM (2 children)

      Beautifully worded - may I snarf that, with attribution of course, for rotation in my usenet .sig file?

      You certainly may. And thank you!

      However, I'd point out that I was inspired by this [youtube.com], so some credit should be given to Eugen Weber [wikipedia.org] as well.

      --
      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday April 15 2019, @04:13PM (1 child)

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday April 15 2019, @04:13PM (#829905) Homepage
        I've proposed that we put that series into our playlist of "telly" to watch. The g/f may be familiar with it, as it seems to have first aired when she was growing up. It looks like the guy certainly has the academic chops.

        If as we watch it I spot a sufficiently similar soundbite, then I will "-- Eugen Weber, via NotSanguine on SoylentNews" it, else I will "-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber" it.
        --
        Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
        • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday April 15 2019, @04:24PM

          If as we watch it I spot a sufficiently similar soundbite, then I will "-- Eugen Weber, via NotSanguine on SoylentNews" it, else I will "-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber" it.

          Something about the comment to which I was replying made me think of the Weber quote (which immediately precedes the bit you like):

          The first men and women were hunters and nomads, awed and frightened by a world they did not understand. They invested great energy in rituals, sacrifices, temples, tombs. And with religion came gods and god-kings, magicians and priests."

          I used it to compare where we are now to how we began with this:

          We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can (aside from fiction and fantasy to tickle our imaginations and stretch our ideas of what is possible) cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.

          There is, perhaps, more of Weber in that than there is of me. As such, I would much prefer that you include him in any attribution.

          FYI. The quote above contains the first three sentences of the first episode of the series. As such, you won't have to wait long to find it. :)

          --
          No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr