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posted by martyb on Monday April 15 2019, @08:13PM   Printer-friendly
from the they-don't-build-them-like-they-used-to dept.

The deputy mayor of Paris, Emmanuel Gregoire, said the cathedral had suffered "colossal damages", and the emergency services were trying to salvage the art and other priceless pieces stored in the cathedral. A cathedral spokesman said the entire wooden interior was burning and likely to be destroyed.

Sounds like the whole thing may go up in flames. There's a reason for modern building codes. A structure made entirely out of wood, is a huge bonfire, waiting to happen. Thankfully, at this time, there are no reported deaths.

[Update: 2019-04-16 @ 0222: The Cathedral is not "made entirely out of wood" as was suggested above. There is a great deal of stone work in its construction which can be readily seen on its Wikipedia page. I was at work when I heard news of the fire, immediately took a break, loaded the story queue on my phone, saw a story submission on the fire, and pushed it out to the community. In my haste to get the story out, I failed to notice the erroneous claim about wood construction. I apologize for the error. --martyb]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-today-2019-04-15/


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:21PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:21PM (#830013)

    I've got no proof of course, but gut instinct is telling me this is a terrorist attack and I don't know why. I don't even know enough about France's situation to speculate at who or why. But there is something unsettling going on right now. Just curious but does anyone know if the building was recently insured?

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  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:24PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:24PM (#830015)

    Because you're a SN denizen, conspiracy and "turrism" are the main staples here. That said, if it was a terrorist attack then that precludes insurance fraud. Pick one and stick with it!

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday April 15 2019, @10:35PM (7 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 15 2019, @10:35PM (#830132) Journal

      That said, if it was a terrorist attack then that precludes insurance fraud.

      Sorry, we can have it all!

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @11:28PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @11:28PM (#830164)

        You heard it here first, khallow admits to being a triggered little snowflake cuck who moonlights as a deplorable SJW trumpette that defected to Russia to become a bot herding gun toting fascist who supports socialism!

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 16 2019, @01:31AM (5 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 16 2019, @01:31AM (#830219) Journal
          I guess you never heard of the 9/11 conspiracy about the terrorist attack being allowed (or perhaps encouraged) to happen for the insurance money.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @01:56AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @01:56AM (#830232)

            I guess you never heard of the 9/11 conspiracy about the terrorist attack being allowed (or perhaps encouraged) to happen for the insurance money.

            It was also used as cover to steal all the gold stored in the basement vault, destroy evidence of various financial crimes, and inspire solidarity amongst the American population for whatever next scheme they had.

            In the case of Notre Dame it was artwork (some of it made from gold of course). Not sure what type of records were stored there though, perhaps something related to the church's current scandals surrounding priests and boys? It also inspiries solidarity amongst the French population during a time of mass protests.

            Also, now it being used an rallying cry for people everywhere to pay for refurbishing the structure, earlier the French government was responsible for paying for it.

            This type of thing would only happen if it makes sense from multiple angles.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @02:24AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @02:24AM (#830248)

              Apparently not all the gold:

              Large amounts of gold are stored in vaults in the massive basement below the WTC, and some of this is being transported through the basement this morning. Several weeks later, recovery workers will discover hundreds of ingots in a service tunnel below WTC 5, along with a ten-wheel lorry and some cars (which were, presumably, transporting the gold) (see (Mid-October-mid November 2001)).
              [...]
              The London Times says the quantity of these “has been a carefully guarded secret,” but estimates $750 million of gold and silver in vaults belonging to the Comex metals trading division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. There appears to have been an attempt, since 9/11, to break into a Comex vault containing $200 million of precious metals belonging to the Bank of Nova Scotia. A government official involved in the recovery work says, “It looked like they used a blowtorch, a crowbar,” but a bank spokeswoman denies there has been any attempted break-in
              [...]
              The IAFF later alleges that “the mayor’s switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers” (see (Mid-October-mid November 2001)). “Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment.”

              https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-the-gold-in-basement-of-World-Trade-Center-after-9-11-attacks-if-there-was-any [quora.com]

              So ~$750 million worth was there, but only "tens of millions of dollars worth" was recovered.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @08:08PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @08:08PM (#830576)

              and they already had the scheme (Afghanistan) in place.

          • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Tuesday April 16 2019, @05:52AM (1 child)

            by maxwell demon (1608) on Tuesday April 16 2019, @05:52AM (#830295) Journal

            I heard many conspiracy theories about 9/11, but this one is new to me. It's also one of the more ridiculous ones.

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            The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
            • (Score: 2) by DeVilla on Thursday April 18 2019, @02:31AM

              by DeVilla (5354) on Thursday April 18 2019, @02:31AM (#831473)

              They shouldn't mod you any higher than the comment you are responding to. Because now I'm having to resist the urge to look up a new ridiculous 9/11 conspiracy theory. That's cruel.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday April 17 2019, @08:55PM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday April 17 2019, @08:55PM (#831302) Journal

      Not if you insure against terrorism too. Because of the first, pre 9/11, WTC attack, the twin towers were insured. Because of the routine attacks on other churches and the attempted attack on notre dame itself, the church could have been insured too. It makes no sense, because its value is not quantifiable.

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:36PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:36PM (#830027)

    I suspect it was Trump colluding with Russians to interfere with the upcoming French elections by inciting racist hatred.

    • (Score: 2) by Alfred on Monday April 15 2019, @08:42PM

      by Alfred (4006) on Monday April 15 2019, @08:42PM (#830036) Journal
      Nah, they just adding air to the already existing fire of regret of letting them types into France.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @10:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @10:38PM (#830135)

      It was only a coincidence that all the copies of Mueller's Report were stored there.

    • (Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Tuesday April 16 2019, @04:04AM (1 child)

      by SpockLogic (2762) on Tuesday April 16 2019, @04:04AM (#830271)

      No, when Trump was told that Notre Dame was burning, in a rare showing of empathy he said "I hope it dosen't affect their football season".

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      Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:29AM

        by driverless (4770) on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:29AM (#830876)

        He also sent his thoughts and prayers that the fire would go out. It worked even better than when he sent them to mass shooting victims.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:52PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:52PM (#830047)

    Its to cover an art theft. Use the remodeling to remove the real pictures then a convenient accident to burn the fakes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @08:58PM (#830050)

      Could be. Or part attack, part theft. If you were going to burn it down, why not steal the art and try to sell it to fund future attacks?

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @09:04PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @09:04PM (#830056)

    I've got no proof of course, but gut instinct is telling me this is a terrorist attack and I don't know why.

    Probably because, in America today, everything is a terrorists.

    The government needs a vague bogeyman with which to justify controlling the public and Communism lost its edge a few decades ago, so now terrorists are everywhere.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @02:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @02:18AM (#830244)

      Who dumped British Tea into a Harbor, didn't obey the rules of war while fighting an asymmetric conflict anywhere and any time against British forces. Who turned against King and Country to take over her Majesty's Royal Lands for themselves.

      Yankee meet Muzzie, you're both a coupla' field niggers who took over the house.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by NewNic on Monday April 15 2019, @10:32PM (1 child)

    by NewNic (6420) on Monday April 15 2019, @10:32PM (#830128) Journal

    but gut instinct is telling me this is a terrorist attack and I don't know why.

    Let me answer that: it's because you are a moron.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @12:02AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 16 2019, @12:02AM (#830178)

      but gut instinct is telling me this is a terrorist attack and I don't know why.

      Let me answer that: it's because you are a moron.

      Indeed. I would also add that this is why we can't have nice things.

  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday April 16 2019, @02:20AM

    by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday April 16 2019, @02:20AM (#830246) Homepage
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