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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday April 24 2019, @07:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-not-perfect-but..... dept.

https://fossforce.com/2019/04/whats-wrong-with-the-music-modernization-act/

Pretty much everyone in the music industry agreed that the rate setting process for both mechanical and streaming royalties was antiquated. Having a central location for storing publishing and master ownership information for all recordings — as well as for obtaining digital mechanical licenses — would be ideal. There also needed to be payments to heritage artists whose music is broadcast on satellite services, and a clear system for paying producers and engineers for their share of the master recording income derived from performance.

The MMA promised all that and more. The changes it brought about, however, came with a price.

The Music Modernization Act: What Is It & Why Does It Matter?

The Music Modernization act, or "MMA" creates a formalized body, run by publishers, that administers the "mechanical licensing" of compositions streamed on services like Spotify and Apple Music (we call them DSPs). It changes the procedure by which millions of songs are made available for streaming on these services and limits the liability a service can incur if it adheres to the new process. It funds the creation of a comprehensive database with buy in from all the major publishers and digital service providers. This would be the first of its kind that has active participation from the major publishers, representing a vast majority of musical works. It also creates a new evidentiary standard by which the performance rights organizations ASCAP and BMI can argue better rates for the performance of musical works on DSPs.

[...] There will be meaningful criticism of this bill. But at the end of the day, this is a good thing for our business. A consensus amongst the music community and agreement with the DSPs. Two notions that, before this bill, lived in the realm of fantasy. And a real nuts and bolts solution to, what a year ago, seemed to be an insurmountable obstacle.

So how about it fellow Soylentils? What do you think about this proposal?


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  • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Wednesday April 24 2019, @11:06PM (19 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 24 2019, @11:06PM (#834552) Journal

    I wish there was a clear, codifiable (legally) consensus on what the artists want.

    There is. It's called "copyright". The artists do what they want with stuff that they have copyright to.

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  • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday April 25 2019, @12:13AM (1 child)

    by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday April 25 2019, @12:13AM (#834565)

    So ... what do mid-range artists, you know, actually want? It seems to vary depending on the synthesis, production, and distribution technologies they grew up with.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Thursday April 25 2019, @09:54AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 25 2019, @09:54AM (#834678) Journal

      So ... what do mid-range artists, you know, actually want?

      Whatever they want. At this point, we no longer have to care.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 25 2019, @02:02AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 25 2019, @02:02AM (#834590)

    no you dumb-dumb, copyright is disney's and other big guys' consensus

  • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Thursday April 25 2019, @04:49PM (15 children)

    by Pino P (4721) on Thursday April 25 2019, @04:49PM (#834823) Journal

    Copyright often gets in the way of artists when it forbids an artist to build on another artist's work.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 26 2019, @01:26AM (14 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 26 2019, @01:26AM (#834979) Journal

      Copyright often gets in the way of artists when it forbids an artist to build on another artist's work.

      It's supposed to get in the way. But it doesn't forbid the second artist from building on the work of the first. They just have to get permission. Plenty of people get that. You wouldn't otherwise have covers [wikipedia.org] of existing copyrighted songs, and movies of books and comics.

      • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Friday April 26 2019, @04:52AM (13 children)

        by Pino P (4721) on Friday April 26 2019, @04:52AM (#835010) Journal

        They just have to get permission.

        I was under the impression that artists new to the industry tended to have less success in negotiating permission.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 26 2019, @11:39AM (12 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 26 2019, @11:39AM (#835062) Journal
          And that's a problem why? My view is that the real problems of copyright come in when Disney wants to extend their ancient copyrights twenty more years. I'm not seeing a reason for copyrights that last more than about 20 years (not life plus 75 which is absolutely ridiculous).
          • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Friday April 26 2019, @02:13PM (11 children)

            by Pino P (4721) on Friday April 26 2019, @02:13PM (#835117) Journal

            They just have to get permission. Plenty of people get that.

            artists new to the industry tended to have less success in negotiating permission.

            And that's a problem why?

            It's a problem because your use of the word "just" and the phrase "Plenty of people" implied that negotiating permission is a practical solution for artists, including those new to the industry.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 26 2019, @02:26PM (10 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 26 2019, @02:26PM (#835121) Journal

              It's a problem because your use of the word "just" and the phrase "Plenty of people" implied that negotiating permission is a practical solution for artists, including those new to the industry.

              Sorry, I still don't see the problem. The avenue exists and is reasonable. And contrary to your assertion, I do believe that negotiating permission is a practical solution even for those new to the industry.

              • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Friday April 26 2019, @04:39PM (9 children)

                by Pino P (4721) on Friday April 26 2019, @04:39PM (#835183) Journal

                What solution would you offer to an artist who gets a blanket denial or a go-away price from several other artists or their publishers in a row?

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 27 2019, @01:57AM (8 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 27 2019, @01:57AM (#835436) Journal

                  What solution would you offer to an artist who gets a blanket denial or a go-away price from several other artists or their publishers in a row?

                  This blanket denial may be a strong indication that they suck. Either do something else or work on that, say by pushing their limits with different approaches. And sometimes, it just takes more persistence. But to say that it's the fault of copyright is erroneous. Big businesses will always be better at derivative works than you. In the absence of copyright, they'll be able to copy and exploit your works like the currently do, without having to compensate you in the process.

                  • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Saturday April 27 2019, @03:35AM (7 children)

                    by Pino P (4721) on Saturday April 27 2019, @03:35AM (#835461) Journal

                    Either do something else

                    Could you elaborate on what "something else" you had in mind? Did you mean, for example, that artists ought to begin by producing completely original works as opposed to derivative works under license?

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 27 2019, @09:49AM (1 child)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 27 2019, @09:49AM (#835538) Journal

                      Could you elaborate on what "something else" you had in mind? Did you mean, for example, that artists ought to begin by producing completely original works as opposed to derivative works under license?

                      If the problem is that you suck, then creating your own completely original work (or derivative works in a different genre) can help you figure out to create derivative works better. That is, doing something different to help you do what you've been trying to do better.

                      • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Sunday April 28 2019, @01:52AM

                        by Pino P (4721) on Sunday April 28 2019, @01:52AM (#835815) Journal

                        The skill of creating quality derivative works does not necessarily correlate with the skill of marketing your ability to create quality derivative works to prospective licensors. What steps would you recommend for those skilled in the former to also become skilled in the latter?

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 27 2019, @09:56AM (4 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 27 2019, @09:56AM (#835539) Journal
                      Reviewing my earlier post, "do something else" meant getting out of the industry. Burger flipping is not out of the question as an alternative career choice.
                      • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Sunday April 28 2019, @01:50AM (3 children)

                        by Pino P (4721) on Sunday April 28 2019, @01:50AM (#835812) Journal

                        Copyright gives an author the power to refuse to license derivative works at a reasonable royalty. Earlier, you claimed that this power to refuse does not get in the way of art. Now you claim that it does, by causing artists to stop being artists and switch to food service.

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 28 2019, @02:05AM (2 children)

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 28 2019, @02:05AM (#835817) Journal

                          Copyright gives an author the power to refuse to license derivative works at a reasonable royalty. Earlier, you claimed that this power to refuse does not get in the way of art. Now you claim that it does, by causing artists to stop being artists and switch to food service.

                          Again, what makes this a problem rather than just another fact? There is no one in this world whose only ability is to write a cover to Another Brick in the Wall, Part 2. If you can't get the permission, then either don't do it (or rather don't market it for profit) or wait for the copyright to expire. And if you suck so much that even the many artists who allow derivative works can't be bothered to license your work, then indeed there is food service.

                          • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Sunday April 28 2019, @02:31AM (1 child)

                            by Pino P (4721) on Sunday April 28 2019, @02:31AM (#835823) Journal

                            wait for the copyright to expire

                            Under current law, copyright significantly outlives prospective authors of derivative works. You have stated earlier that you desire to change this particular law. But because you haven't yet managed to get a bill to do so before a committee, one might claim that you suck.

                            And if you suck so much that even the many artists who allow derivative works can't be bothered to license your work

                            I doubt the existence of "many artists who allow derivative works" whose works have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (Wikipedia's general notability guideline [wikipedia.org]). But if you can name a few freely licensed (such as CC BY or CC BY-SA) musical works composed in the past 50 years with which listeners among the general public are likely to be familiar, that would likely change my mind.

                            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 28 2019, @02:53AM

                              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 28 2019, @02:53AM (#835827) Journal

                              Under current law, copyright significantly outlives prospective authors of derivative works. You have stated earlier that you desire to change this particular law. But because you haven't yet managed to get a bill to do so before a committee, one might claim that you suck.

                              Tell me about it. Nobody has handled me the keys to world power yet. Maybe I need to write another memo?

                              I doubt the existence of "many artists who allow derivative works" whose works have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (Wikipedia's general notability guideline [wikipedia.org]).

                              Actually, just look at songs in Wikipedia some time. They usually list the derivative works that "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

                              But if you can name a few freely licensed (such as CC BY or CC BY-SA) musical works composed in the past 50 years with which listeners among the general public are likely to be familiar, that would likely change my mind.

                              What would be the point of the exercise? Free licenses aren't the only licenses out there. I sensed from the beginning that there was supposed to be some point to this slow development, but even now, I don't get what it is.