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posted by mrpg on Thursday May 02 2019, @09:40AM   Printer-friendly
from the waterproof dept.

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[...] Robert Brizzolara, the MUSV program manager, told USNI News on April 25 at the Defense Department's annual Lab Day at the Pentagon that ONR has been focused on building an extensive body of evidence to prove to the fleet the reliability of the MUSV hull and the autonomous control system that lets it sense its way through the seas.

[...] The Navy has made clear it expects unmanned ships, aircraft and underwater vehicles to play a major role in future operations, and the service is devoting significant funds to developing and fielding these vehicles as fast as research and industry can manage. The medium USV is envisioned to be primarily a sensing platform for the fleet, while a large USV the Navy is now aggressively pursuing would be a remote shooter.

Source: Sea Hunter Unmanned Ship Continues Autonomy Testing as NAVSEA Moves Forward with Draft RFP


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @02:04PM (6 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @02:04PM (#837861) Journal

    Can you please stop fucking making us all shit our pants and promote peace!

    Well, I suppose US killbots can be reconfigured to install butt plugs for your own good.

    As to promoting peace, it's been a pretty good run so far. There's a lot more peace since the end of the Second World War than before. The US and its peculiar brand of militarism is a large part of the reason why.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @03:50PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @03:50PM (#837928)

    As to promoting peace, it's been a pretty good run so far. There's a lot more peace since the end of the Second World War than before.

    I like that sentence. It will be true until world war three, but has no value or depth. If you wanted to say that the time before the second world war was less peaceful than the time after the second world war, you are probably also right in some way. I would have to agree that the 14 billions years before world war two accumulated is probably worse than the 74 years after.

    The US and its peculiar brand of militarism is a large part of the reason why.

    Why do you believe that? I think that's an assumption worth investigating.

    I'll insert the butt plug and raise with a "don't show don't tell".

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @04:35PM (4 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @04:35PM (#837959) Journal

      I like that sentence. It will be true until world war three, but has no value or depth.

      Does peace have no value or depth?

      If you wanted to say that the time before the second world war was less peaceful than the time after the second world war, you are probably also right in some way.

      "Probably". First, I don't buy that we're somehow better off having lots of brutal wars in between our global wars.

      Second, I suppose we could continue to waffle and dissemble, or we could consider actual evidence [soylentnews.org] which noted that war deaths has declined massively over the past 75 years. To quote the source [ourworldindata.org] in my post above.

      The Absolute Number of War Deaths is Declining since 1945 The absolute number of war deaths has been declining since 1946. In some years in the early post-war era, around half a million people died in wars; in contrast, in 2007 (the last year for which I have data) the number of all war deaths was down to 22.139[sic European notation].

      The detailed numbers for 2007 also show which deaths are counted as war deaths:8

      Number of State-Based Battle Deaths: 16773
      Number of Non-State Battle Deaths: 1865
      Number of One Sided Violence Deaths: 3501
      The total sum of the above is: 22139. This is the number of all war deaths on our planet in 2007.

      2007 wasn't cherry picked (though obviously, it's sandwiched between major wars), it just happened to be the last year for which they had data at the time.

      My point here is that we can pay lip service to ideals like peace, or we can pay attention to the good we've done. Because then, we can figure out what works. A big thing here is that wealthy, democratic countries don't get into wars with each other. We have huge portions of the world that have been at peace for almost a human lifetime. This is unheard of in history.

      I can't answer for a potentially very violent future of global war, but I can say it's not happening now on our watch.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @06:11PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @06:11PM (#838020)

        Your war in Afghanistan and Iraq cost half a million people their lives.

        The well functioning democratic countries of the world is those who have been left alone by US military intervention.

        Your country is not a power of peace.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:27PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:27PM (#838093) Journal

          Your war in Afghanistan and Iraq cost half a million people their lives.

          And? I'm sure I can find bar fights that killed people too. If you don't care how many people actually died in wars (and given that you're claiming half a million means you're using those studies with the flawed methodology which greatly overestimate deaths from the two wars in question), then what does it matter if half a million imaginary people died or 70 million real people (the actual body count from the Second World War using much better tools of analysis)?

          Also keep in mind the quote:

          In some years in the early post-war era, around half a million people died in wars

          That's half a million bodies with bullets in them per year, not half a million people who someone was willing to allege died of something during the course of a war.

          At some point, if you're serious, you'll need to talk about how many died not just in your cherry picked example, but in all the wars. And good news, is that stuff is down a lot.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:54PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:54PM (#838115)

            I'll just let your posts speak for themselves. Nice talking to you khallow.

            Peace.