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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday May 02 2019, @03:51PM   Printer-friendly
from the delusions-of-grandeur dept.

This is a guest post by Hugh Handeyside, Senior Staff Attorney, ACLU National Security Project, Nathan Freed Wessler, Staff Attorney, ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, and Esha Bhandari, Staff Attorney, ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. It was originally posted on the ACLU Speak Freely blog.

In September 2017, we, along with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, sued the federal government for its warrantless and suspicionless searches of phones and laptops at airports and other U.S. ports of entry.

The government immediately tried to dismiss our case, arguing that the First and Fourth Amendments do not protect against such searches. But the court ruled that our clients — 10 U.S. citizens and one lawful permanent resident whose phones and laptops were searched while returning to the United States — could move forward with their claims.

Since then, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement have had to turn over documents and evidence about why and how they conduct warrantless and suspicionless searches of electronic devices at the border. And their officials have had to sit down with us to explain — under oath — their policies and practices governing such warrantless searches.

What we learned is alarming, and we're now back in court with this new evidence asking the judge to skip trial altogether and rule for our clients.

Source: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/04/we-got-us-border-officials-testify-under-oath-heres-what-we-found-out


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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:25PM (10 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:25PM (#837995) Journal

    Well, those "families" you speak of? A large number of those "kids" are adults themselves. Gang members and such. The real kids? Some are just dragged along by those gang members, like so much baggage, for the photo ops. This is one of those things where almost everyone is dirty. It really, really sucks for those who aren't dirty, but there you have it. Those "families" are mostly a figment of the media's imagination, presented to you in living color, with a false narrative.

    When you've got a George Soros recruiting invaders, offering more money than these people have seen in ten years, just to walk to the US border and create a scene, you're going to have a lot of takers.

    Always, follow the money. You know it takes a half ton of money to organize one of those caravans, don't you? Food, water, fuel, reporters - no army moves without logistics. Those caravans are carefully orchestrated and choreographed to tug at your heart strings. I won't insult you, DannyB, by calling you naive. But, you do have a small problem of credulity. It is similar to naivete, but there are subtle differences between the two.

    Call me cynical, if you like. But, any time you have two (or more) sides in conflict, you can safely bet that there ain't no good guys. The few good guys in those caravans have been dragged along to be used by the media.

    Typical caravan of 1000 people has a few dozen women, mostly of child bearing age, and a few dozen children, and all the rest are those "military age males". Gotta bring some pretty women and children for those photo ops, or the target of the invasion might get suspicious, you know?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:35PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:35PM (#838003)

    As I posted in the another thread, illegal immigrants basically forced my brother off his fruit farm near san diego. It is not just immigrants either, just normal "travelers":

    Rotten said he has been forced to call police after vagrants set up camp in front of his residence. "They came over the gate and put their tent inside, right in front of the front door. It's like... the audacity."

    https://kfiam640.iheart.com/content/2019-04-29-sex-pistols-johnny-rotten-complains-about-homeless-anarchy-in-his-city/ [iheart.com]

    The people supporting this stuff think they are safe and these people are not just going to eventually start taking their shit. They are very wrong.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:03PM (#838488)

      that's what AKs and ARs are for. if some stupid fucks come on my property they will have limited time to comply with my orders or will be executed and burned. the animals will eat the bones. i have no sympathy for stray humans.

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:46PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:46PM (#838009) Journal

    The things you point out, I would love to see those get more media coverage.

    It has become a problem to know what to believe. Things can sound unbelievable even if true.

    We live in a world where disinformation has undermined trust. Craziness from the current administration greatly widens the divide and the trust.

    There may be no good guys, but other than in small forums, neither side trusts the other.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @06:29PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @06:29PM (#838028)

    Well, those "families" you speak of? A large number of those "kids" are adults themselves. Gang members and such. The real kids? Some are just dragged along by those gang members, like so much baggage, for the photo ops. This is one of those things where almost everyone is dirty. It really, really sucks for those who aren't dirty, but there you have it. Those "families" are mostly a figment of the media's imagination, presented to you in living color, with a false narrative.

    [Citation needed]

    In fact, at least a few citations are needed. And I will warn you ahead of time, Breitbart and Alex Jones are not going to do it for me. Just sayin'.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 02 2019, @07:02PM (4 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @07:02PM (#838047) Journal

      So, we have an impasse. You won't accept evidence that doesn't come from MSM - and I know that MSM is lying to you. Have you ever thought of coming to the border, to check things out for yourself?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @07:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @07:27PM (#838061)

        Have you ever thought of coming to the border, to check things out for yourself?

        What would be the point, to generate anecdotes? That is pseudoscience.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:19PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:19PM (#838087)

        !(Breitbart|Alex Jones)=MSM?

        lol

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Friday May 03 2019, @07:27PM (1 child)

          by Nerdfest (80) on Friday May 03 2019, @07:27PM (#838528)

          I really think more Americans should read their news from sources outside their country. Try the BBC, Canada's CBC, Global News, or National Post, he latter of which leans pretty right wing as far as Canadian sources go. Pick another country. It doesn't really matter which, just please stop fucking listening to Fox News.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by FatPhil on Sunday May 05 2019, @10:32AM

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Sunday May 05 2019, @10:32AM (#839162) Homepage
            Deutsche Welle, France24, Al Jazeera, and even RT are better sources of news than the BBC.
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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Friday May 03 2019, @08:07PM

    by edIII (791) on Friday May 03 2019, @08:07PM (#838541)

    Dude, that is dumbass conspiracy talking points straight out Tucker/Hannity's diseases pie holes.

    Where's the fucking facts here? I saw the photos. A LOT of women and children. You are correct that they are fleeing gang violence. However, there just may be a difference between a young El Salvadorean male forced to join a gang trying to escape it with his family, versus a MS13 staff transfer to the United States. According to you, every child is being dragged, on the orders of George Soros, by a violent gang member.... right into the hands of people that are going to abuse them? Where's the exit plan? The end game? Is is really violent criminals walking a 1000 miles into the hands of racist law enforcement that will immediately put them in cages?

    It's just so much bullshit to rile up racism in people, like you for instance.

    Come on man, use your brain. You're also military, so you should damn well know a couple thousand hungry desperate people don't make an invasion force. Especially, when they're trying to "invade" a well defended country with 350 million people. Everytime you guys say invasion, it makes you look like dumb racist assholes.

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