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https://lwn.net/Articles/786593/
An April Fools joke that went sour seems to be at least the proximate cause for a rather large upheaval in the Devuan community. For much of April 1 (or March 31 depending on time zone), the Devuan web site looked like it had been taken over by attackers, which was worrisome to many, but it was all a prank. The joke was clever, way over the top, unprofessional, or some combination of those, depending on who is describing it, but the incident and the threads on the devuan-dev mailing list have led to rancor, resignations, calls for resignations, and more.
Quick summary:
- Nicosia (a core dev) posted to the mailing list saying Devuan was compromised.
- Nicosia kept up the joke for some time.
- Nicosia admitted it was a prank later.
- Mike Bird suggested legal action against Nicosia and auditing/rebuilding the affected servers.
- Nicosia stepped down on April 11.
- Roio (a core dev) accused CenturionDan (a core dev) of causing Nicosia to step down.
- Reurich (a core dev) commented on the divide between people who want to use Devuan professionally and people who use Devuan for fun.
- Roio objected to Reurich.
- Reurich considered stepping down.
Some facts (?) gathered from the comments:
- Many core devs were unaware of the joke. They thought the compromise was real, as everyone but Nicosia was blocked from logging in to the affected server. They worked to shut down their infrastructure and isolate it from the supposedly compromised machine.
- The Devuan continuous integration server is apparently still down.
Related: Devuan Site Possibly Hacked
(Score: 3, Interesting) by RS3 on Saturday May 04 2019, @01:14AM (7 children)
I'm primarily a SlackWare nerd from very long ago. Tried Gentoo and it's interesting. Love love Alpine. I've tried Debian / Ubuntu / Mint over the years; didn't quite grab me. Been running CentOS on live servers for 12 years and I've gotten used to it, but when CentOS 6.x support ends, so does CentOS in my life (unless someone wants to pay me big $). I've heard of but never tried Void nor Artix. If our Japanese muse likes them, I'm eager to try them, so thank you. (Arrgh, Artix requires X86_64 and Void SSE2. Was hoping to run one on an older but quiet low-power dual P3... Alpine it is, or maybe Gentoo. Everything points to Slackware.)
For anyone who's terribly bored: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_distributions_without_systemd [without-systemd.org]
I think really good package management is the most important thing for Linux to be adopted mainstream.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @03:22AM (6 children)
Really? You hate system D so much you won’t migrate to CentOS7? Sounds a Bit childish
(Score: 5, Insightful) by MadTinfoilHatter on Saturday May 04 2019, @05:42AM (4 children)
Given that there are options that comes without SystemD it's a simple - perfecly rational, non-childish - evaluation of the question: "Which option has fewer drawbacks: Upgrading to CentOS 7, and dealing with the problems of SystemD, or migrating to a different distro that doesn't have SystemD?" What your answer will depend a lot on context: What services are you running? What kind of experience do you have with SystemD? et.c. I don't blame the GP for coming up with the answer that a non-systemd distro is the way forward. There is also absolutely nothing childish about that. Claiming that it is sounds a lot like the Poettringisque rethoric of resorting to strawmen arguments, genetic fallacies, ad hominems and just plain "LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" in defense of the tar baby that is SystemD...
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday May 04 2019, @05:55AM
Oh thank you for an awesome reply. I had already submitted my less calm rational reply. This AC moron has been trolling me for quite a while. I think it's time to start deleting idiocy- clean up this site.
You really nailed everything I would have written if I was in the mood. The moron has NO idea what systems they are, who owns them, what budget is, what runs on them, their purpose, etc., but he's always got to comment authoritatively. I also was going to write that I'm wondering if he's Poettering (sp? don't care) himself.
The main point is: I never wrote that migrating away from CentOS had anything to do with "system D" (as he spells it).
I'd happily explain it but maybe someday when ACs are somehow brought under control.
Thanks again!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday May 04 2019, @02:51PM (2 children)
I support init choice, but "Upgrading to CentOS 7, and dealing with the problems of SystemD" is absurd. I've worked in places that migrated hundreds of servers from CentOS 6 to CentOS 7 and all of the headaches were around software package changes and file locations (e.g. changes to the alternatives system we had to compensate for in our configuration management tools). The init system switch was transparent.
Don't like systemd? Fine. Don't want to use it? Fine. Problems? Debian derivatives and Red Hat derivatives are still the most popular Linux server distributions by far. systemd might have design choices you disagree with, and I respect that. But labeling it as unstable or difficult to learn is flat out trolling, it is neither.
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday May 04 2019, @04:28PM (1 child)
I did not mod you down, and I only downmod posts that attack someone. Personally I don't think anyone should ever downmod because they disagree, but that's me and maybe someday I'll start a tech blog with my rules.
My reason for replying to you, besides that I completely agree with you and thank you for the informative post, is that I NEVER said my reason for migrating away from CentOS had anything to do with systemd. It's interesting how short-circuit-brain AC somehow made that leap of illogic, then people are responding in kind.
Frankly, systemd has nothing to do with it. It's a tiny company with a tiny budget with limited hardware that simply won't run 7 or 8. I'm just an occasional consultant. I enjoy the work, challenge, and atmosphere. The hardware works well, reliably, ain't broke. There's no Intel management engine or other worrisome hardware. If I push them to buy newer hardware, they'll move everything to godaddy, etc., and cut me out. It's just business. I have much bigger fish to catch. :-)
(Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Sunday May 05 2019, @01:57PM
Thanks. My response was aimed at MadTinfoilHatter, not your comment. You didn't say why you would not move to CentOS 7, he (/she/they/whatever) said "problems with systemd" and that was what got my reaction. Good luck with your business.
(Score: 3, Touché) by RS3 on Saturday May 04 2019, @05:45AM
Childish? Look in a mirror lately? You're the nitwit who keeps trolling me and you who needs severe shock therapy and full frontal lobotomy.
You don't know ANYTHING about my situation, but your mighty omniscience forces you to comment, revealing your true short-circuited brain.
Show me where I in any way conveyed that "system D" has ANYTHING to do with not moving to CentOS 7 or 8.
Go away. It's time to delete these moronic AC comments.