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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday May 07 2019, @11:02AM   Printer-friendly
from the full-of-electric-eels dept.

Amsterdam's head of transport has announced plans to ban petrol and diesel cars in the city by 2030.

The clean air action plan aims to make the Dutch capital a "world leader in emission-free transport".

Transport chief Sharon Dijksma said residents "live a year less on average due to dirty air" and that the plan should "prolong the health of the average Amsterdammer by three months."

But the plan has already incited strong reactions in the Netherlands with one motoring organisation branding it "bizarre" and wondering how normal people would afford electric cars.

The plan, which would be applied 20 years before the Paris Agreement aims to slash greenhouse gas emissions, would require up to 23,000 electric charging points by 2025. The city currently has 3,000.


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  • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday May 07 2019, @01:12PM (12 children)

    by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @01:12PM (#840123) Journal

    There are things called trains, buses and planes here to move around, not F-150s.

    Do the buses have weird restrictions on time of day or day of week the way there are in many cities in Trumpland? I ask because a couple of my neighbors work a schedule including Sunday, when buses in my city don't run, and a third works more than a kilometer from the nearest bus stop. And do the planes require a paid subscription to a precheck program in order not to get felt up?

    And for some weird reason you actually need a car, then you can rent one.

    How does liability insurance for car renters who don't own a car work? Are there weird restrictions on renters under 25 or on crossing state/provincial/etc. lines the way there are in Trumpland?

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  • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday May 07 2019, @03:02PM (7 children)

    by isostatic (365) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @03:02PM (#840201) Journal

    How does liability insurance for car renters who don't own a car work?

    How wouldn't it work? You hire the car, and you're insured. Job done.

    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday May 07 2019, @03:43PM (6 children)

      by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @03:43PM (#840217) Journal

      How wouldn't it work? You hire the car, and you're insured. Job done.

      Unless the rental company adds a surcharge for those without valid insurance on another vehicle, on grounds that those without a personal vehicle are likely to be less experienced at driving.

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:01PM (5 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:01PM (#840269)

        That ... is just not the way it works. Have you ever rented a car ?

        Anyone over the minimum age (25, usually) is offered the same coverage options.

        • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:30PM (4 children)

          by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:30PM (#840279) Journal

          You guessed correctly that I have never rented a car. Nor have I owned one. I'm going based on what I have heard from others.

          minimum age (25, usually)

          Which leaves what for people between graduation and the 25th birthday?

          • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:42PM

            by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:42PM (#840287)

            A few rare companies renting starting at 21, usually with a supplemental cost.
            Beyond that, family, friends, public transport ... we all survived it, even before Uber/Lyft, even if it can occasionally really suck.

            I blame all the moronic boys (mostly them) who can't be convinced to be responsible behind the wheel under 25, making the stats and my insurance premiums what they are/were.

          • (Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:44PM (1 child)

            by Dr Spin (5239) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @05:44PM (#840289)

            Which leaves what for people between graduation and the 25th birthday?
            Partying.

            How old are you?

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            • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday May 08 2019, @04:59PM

              by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday May 08 2019, @04:59PM (#840879) Journal

              I am over 25. I am asking on behalf of relatives who are 18 to 24.

          • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday May 07 2019, @10:37PM

            by isostatic (365) on Tuesday May 07 2019, @10:37PM (#840484) Journal

            Which leaves what for people between graduation and the 25th birthday?

            Paying more

  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday May 07 2019, @06:02PM

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 07 2019, @06:02PM (#840304) Journal

    Are there weird restrictions on renters under 25 or on crossing state/provincial/etc. lines

    As you can travel throughout most of Europe without even being checked at national borders it wouldn't make sense to have limits on travel. Most car insurance in Europe covers you for the whole of Europe, including the extra areas which are not part of the free travel Schengen Agreement, for example UK and Ireland. [wikipedia.org]

    Since 2016 some countries have re-imposed border controls in an effort to check migrant movement, but other aspects of the agreement remain as before.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 07 2019, @06:17PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 07 2019, @06:17PM (#840318)

    Do the buses have weird restrictions on time of day or day of week the way there are in many cities in Trumpland?

    Of course not, the restrictions are quite sane: reduced frequency on weekends, reduced service between 01:00 and 06:00.

    a third works more than a kilometer from the nearest bus stop

    For that you can take your bicycle [wikipedia.org] with you.

    How does liability insurance for car renters who don't own a car work?

    How do suppose it works? Liability insurance is part of the rental contract, of course.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 07 2019, @06:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 07 2019, @06:59PM (#840348)

      Lots of credit cards have built in insurance too, if you use that car to rent...

    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday May 08 2019, @05:05PM

      by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday May 08 2019, @05:05PM (#840884) Journal

      Of course not, the restrictions are quite sane: reduced frequency on weekends, reduced service between 01:00 and 06:00.

      What difference in the economy makes running the buses more often than once an hour, or at all at night or on Sundays, viable where you live?

      For that you can take your [folding] bicycle with you.

      That sort of depends on climate. Do you get thunderstorms or snow where you live?