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"We are coming to a point in our history in which we need to start looking for more space," Han Admiraal, a civil engineer with over two decades of experience in underground space, told AFP on the sidelines of this year's World Tunnel Congress.
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"Underground spaces could easily be used for growing crops," he said, as he toured the cavernous Bourbon Tunnel, dug deep under the Italian city of Naples as a potential escape route for King Ferdinand II of Bourbon after the 1848 riots.Scientific developments in areas like aquaponics—where vegetables and fish are farmed together—could help relieve the pressure on the food supply chain, and dramatically cut transport costs if such new farms were situated under cities.
Isn't excavation expensive?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Friday May 10 2019, @01:45AM (15 children)
Sterilization for lifetime universal basic income trade in 3... 2... 1...
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday May 10 2019, @02:03AM (4 children)
Where do I sign? (you sucker)
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @04:14AM (3 children)
Without further stipulations the actual winning strategy in this scenario is quite dark: have way too many kids, raise them with "take care of your elders" values, encourage roughly half of them (mostly the males) to get sterilized, and encourage all of them to send a cut of the basic income packages they receive/get-cuts-of up the pyramid scheme. Repeat. Expect religious sects to pop up around this model overnight.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday May 10 2019, @05:31AM
In the context of my reply, wasn't thinking about the society in general, only to my specific case.
I'll let others have their choices.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 10 2019, @02:06PM (1 child)
This religious pyramid scheme has the same problem as all such schemes. It can only get so many levels deep and it involves more than the world's population.
If such a scheme gets started, then doesn't it actually further the goals of the UBI-for-sterilization program? In a few generations population would shrink.
You said without further stipulations. Here is a stipulation: you can only participate in UBI-for-sterilization if you've had no more than two or fewer offspring. Each of the up to two offspring decreases the UBI package you are offered. So getting sterilized before reproduction is the maximum benefit you can receive.
Other stipulation could be that if you and your parent is on UBI, you cannot provide any financial support to your ancestors. The whole point is that your UBI can support you, and perhaps a small family in exchange for you not procreating. Craft the policy that way.
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(Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @02:43PM
I don't see why it should stop working until the government goes cuts off the incentive. As long as the incentive exists, the population can keep growing by spending it on food/housing/etc.
I'm honestly missing the logic here. Are you assuming that these people will all be people who would otherwise still be in a reproduce-too-much religious sect? If so, I'm not convinced of that.
Oddly, despite explicitly saying that I assumed mo further stipulations, I actually did implicitly assume the further stipulation that anybody who already has children is not eligible. Thus, I think my proposed religious sect would survive your addendum. The founder never gets paid directly by the government, half of their children do. And so on for the fertile members of the next generation.
This is the sort of stipulation that would mangle but not break the scheme. It prevents the pyramidal structure from forming, but still allows for half of a sibling cohort to get sterilised and support the other half generation after generation. Another stipulation to consider (were we to go down this path) is having payouts be in part based on family structure as you proposed before, but considering sibling count; package benefits scale down exponentially as siblings scale linearly.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @02:25AM (5 children)
Fine by me. I'm gayer than Ellen and Portia on a rainbow biplane and my girlfriend doesn't want children anyway. Snip it! Snip it good.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday May 10 2019, @02:28AM (4 children)
I'm not knocking it. But it will cause a political firestorm of epic proportions if ever proposed.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday May 10 2019, @11:08AM (2 children)
I'm starting to have my doubts about political firestorms. They've got everybody turned upside down talking about transgender rights, a vanishingly small percentage of the population, and half convinced to eat insects. If forcing people to eat bugs doesn't trigger a firestorm it's not clear sterilization will.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday May 10 2019, @02:34PM (1 child)
People are apparently getting banned on Twitter for misgendering others (when pronouns are listed in someone's user profile), but I haven't noticed a groundswell of support/activity encouraging eating insects. Maybe a few futurists and news outlets like to talk about it, but millions of Americans aren't thinking about eating insects and are probably unaware of the "benefits".
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(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday May 10 2019, @04:28PM
Banned for using the wrong pronouns? That is weak.
I'm sure millions of Americans aren't talking about the "benefits" of gender fluidity either, but here we are.
This feels like a moment in which psychohistory will be founded as a discipline. Everything is going off the rails so quickly it should be modeled mathematically.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 10 2019, @02:10PM
Some people will be outraged. Others will be supportive.
Another idea for this policy. The taxes to support the UBI for sterilized people are paid by non sterilized people. But it can't be phrased that way. Instead call it, a tax credit for the sterilized people receiving UBI. That further encourages participation in the UBI for sterilization program.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:08AM (1 child)
right, because we can always trust the government's promises.
have a look at pensions received by Detroit cops.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday May 10 2019, @07:13AM
Just sue the government for replacement parts.
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(Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Friday May 10 2019, @08:33AM (1 child)
You counted in a funny way.
It's sterilization for everybody but the very careful in 2... 3... 4.... 5G
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday May 10 2019, @08:57AM
... 5GE... 5G... and even 6G ASAP...
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