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Female IEEE members say they face significant discrimination in the workplace, including demeaning comments, inappropriate job-interview questions, and exclusion from networking events and important business meetings.
Those were among the most common negative experiences reported by more than 4,500 members—associate member grade and above—from around the world who answered a survey IEEE conducted in 2017. The results were released last year.
Almost half of those surveyed worked in academia, and about 30 percent were from private industry. The rest worked for governmental or nonprofit institutions, or were graduate students or self-employed. The majority of respondents (65 percent) lived outside the United States.
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The Official Colorado State Vegetable is now the "state legislator".
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @04:53PM (32 children)
Do NOT accept subs from NPC-$BIGNUM. Are you people fucking stupid? Have you looked at his post history? He's the textbook case of low-level alt-right shit stirrer. No more from him.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by acid andy on Friday May 10 2019, @05:10PM
The way things are going, I wouldn't be too hugely surprised if it was one of the eds, to be honest. I hope it isn't, though.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @05:23PM (17 children)
You are the one being 'stupid'. The source and content of the story are fair and from a reputable source. Who submitted it is irrelevant.
Your efforts to control who can submit what or which submissions we can publish is not something you have the right to do. You can argue your case for the subject under discussion HERE IN THE COMMENTS. You DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to try to control reasonable discussion by telling us from whom we can accept submissions. You want to forbid stories submitted by people whose views you disagree with. We have discussed this here and elsewhere. It will not happen.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:06PM (15 children)
You kinda fucked up here, Mr. Editor. And in light of what you've been doing with Ari's subs, which are stupidly editorialized but no less topical, that rings really, really, really hollow.
Back up a moment and think about this particular poster's agenda for a bit, please. Look over his post history. See that he's, as I said, basically a textbook example of the low-tier shit-stirrer on the alt-right. And ask yourself, what motivation does this guy have for submitting what he did?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:28PM (9 children)
Do you really want submissions to be rejected based on the perceived motivation of the one who submitted them instead of the content of the submission?
Even if you thought that was a good idea, should the volunteer editors really be spending their time looking through someone's post history before every sub can get into the queue?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:47PM (8 children)
Obvious shit-stirring bad faith trolls should not be able to submit so easily, no. That's not meant to replace the main criterion of what the content of the sub is; it's meant to be a weighting factor in deciding whether to admit it or not. This is not, or should not be, a difficult concept.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @09:17PM (7 children)
Should ACs be allowed to submit stories? What about new accounts? If yes in either case, your proposal has no teeth (even if it were deemed desirable to reject the message based on the messenger).
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday May 10 2019, @10:53PM (2 children)
We could require a certain minimum level of karma to submit a story although honestly I think that would be less fair and balanced even than the current system. Some way to rank stories or for the community to vote for them or even an appeals process for rejected stories that the community can vote on are other ideas. I imagine it's very hard to get right.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 13 2019, @06:16PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday May 13 2019, @09:19PM
Yeah I'd prefer more submissions and more accepted submissions than fewer. The issue is with a perceived bias in what is currently being accepted and rejected. My idea of an appeals process for rejections would actually increase the number of stories if the community wants the rejections overturned.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @10:55PM (3 children)
Actually, I lke that idea: no AC subs, and no subs from new accounts until they've been here for $TIME and have at least $NUM_KARMA. If this place is going to be community-driven, it needs to have a sustained userbase who have some skin in the game.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @11:19PM (1 child)
And the submission qualifies for your imprimatur, I guess you forgot to write. Why not expand that for the comments too. If enough people agree with you, you could have a most excellent site run for your enjoyment, by other people's efforts.
We've been doing fine before you came along. Plus, since the world is ending soon, I guess it won't matter anyway.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @11:29PM
Yeah, well, that's just, like, my opinion, maaaaaaaaaaaan :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @03:09PM
There you go, showed your true self, an authoritarian, intolerant, nazi-commie.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:33PM (4 children)
What agenda is that? Parodying the far-left by taking their arguments to such rediculous extremes that the left are forced to attack themselves?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:45PM (3 children)
That's what he thinks he's doing, but it's...not working. He lacks the subtlety necessary to pull it off successfully, and he's already been discarded as low-tier trash by most of the forum. Unfortunately, he's figured out how to game the system and stir shit up through the subs queue, and I have no doubt he predicted 1) someone (likely me) would go up an editor's ass over it and 2) said editor would respond by doubling down, giving him a clear and open attack channel to continue sowing chaos.
It's not exactly 4-D chess or anything. He's found an easily-exploitable loophole in the way janrinok and maybe some of the other eds operate, and is going to keep using it until it's patched, which it likely never will be. Shame, but what can you do? The most I can do is publicly and loudly call it out, so that at least awareness of said loophole is in the site's public consciousness and people will know who to blame.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:16PM (2 children)
Not exactly Titania McGrath [twitter.com] but if it's not working, why not just ignore it?
Here's an article [spiked-online.com] by the gay lefty behind the Titania account. Should he also be branded "alt-right" and deplatformed?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @07:24PM
I had no idea that person even existed. Crud, now there's a name I can't used for any of my boxen in the future, which were all named after moons of the outer solar system...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @05:00AM
LOL. That's some quality trolling. I liked the one about sandwiches.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @08:56PM
Well, you have to take context into account on reputable. Especially these days, when the long march through the institutions has progressed so far. Lots of formerly reputable institutions have been taken over and turned into outrage mills. IEEE is reputable for things like electronics standards, but not so much for social bias studies. I haven't followed them closely for a while, but I suspect this was pushed by a small group of infiltrators pushing an agenda, as they've been targeting all the tech industry and institutions. They've been so blatant and aggressive about this shit that they've gone well past the "Boy who Cried Wolf" stage, including indulging in outright fraud, so I automatically treat any such claims with extreme skepticism, if not out outright disbelief.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 10 2019, @05:46PM (2 children)
NPC is alt-right? FFS, I can't tell. Most people who are labeled as alt-right tend to make a point now and then. I've never understood a thing NPC has said. He's the child in the room who repeats shit he hears from the adults, with no understanding whatsoever.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:12PM
He's one of those guys who thinks doing the equivalent of the Spongebob aLtERnAtINg CaPs meme is by itself a form of argument. Imagine a newly-registered white belt in judo who thinks he can throw someone 3 times his weight with 20 years of training just because he's heard of the concept, and thinks he's going to show his sensei a thing or two...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:53PM
Yet another thing Runaway does not know. Gonna need a bigger ledger!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @12:02AM (9 children)
Have to disagree with you on this one. For the same reason I disagree the rejection of ari's submissions.
Banning the submission on the overall behaviour of the submitter is an "intellectual shortcut". May be so enticing to adopt it for reducing the effort of editorializing, but it's still an abdication from the responsibility to use the intellectual function your physiology allows you to use.
The stories have to stay on their own.
I'm even OK with the editors to discard the (perceived) intent of the submitter when approving/rejecting a submission, even discard the editorialized form pushed by the submitters, "scrub" the intent and re-summarize the story in a neutral way. I'd be more than happy to see most of the links in ari's submissions making it to the from page even if his snark is discarded in the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:08AM (8 children)
Okay, you've got some pertinent points there. It won't work out that way in real life of course, but at least in principle you're correct. I just don't think our admins and eds are taking proper precautions.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:25AM (7 children)
Neither do I. But that's not a reason to shoot ourselves in the foot asking them to dismiss a good story for the faults of the submitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:47AM (6 children)
I've seen NPC's schtick and I don't trust his motives. He has an obvious sock with a UID 3 higher and a username that's literally exactly the same +1, who seems to be playing the unironic bad cop to NPC's ironic "good" cop. It's childish, puerile, a waste of time and bandwidth, and serves no purpose other than stirring shit for cheap laughs and outrage bait.
He's also uncovered quite a nasty loophole in the wetware portion of the site's code, and it's not one that I see ever getting fixed :/
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @02:10AM (5 children)
You mean another loophole in the submission system, beyond bomb-sunbmission by:
- rDT - all submission linked to FauxNews, oann [wikipedia.org] or breitbarf; even when the same story can be obtained from new outlets without a skin in US politics (eg BBC or abc.net.au) or the news agencies like reuters and afp,
- the use of bots to scour the internet, even when there are heaps of stories already submitted by soylenters
This tactic affords the editors plausible deniability in keeping a story they don't like until it gets that old they can reject it as "no longer news" - in which case they don't even bother to put a reason for it's rejection.
My opinion? Until the (non-AC) soylenters don't have a feedback on the publishing of a story, there are so many things the editors can use to have their game that I dare not to list them (lest I give them ideas).
The feedback may not need to be the full greensite firehose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @02:27AM (4 children)
The loophole I have in mind is best summarized by "people with an agenda can state "innocent facts" and still be pushing their agenda," which Janrinok pointedly refused to understand in #editorial despite my trying the same analogy with him THREE. TIMES. The example was, "When someone keeps spam-posting "it's okay to be white," what is this person actually saying and why? Think about it."
What's being exploited here is an almost robotic adherence to the idea of "only consider the content, not the source or the poster." You can see why that's an exploitable logical error, right, especially in light of the above?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @05:19AM (1 child)
This is why deplatforming doesn't work. "No smoke without fire" is a very old meme.
If what someone says is threatening enough that you will go to the effort of trying to shut them down, then there must be some substance behind their words. All deplatforming does is spark interest, and lend credence.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:41PM
Won't if nobody knows about it that is what actually happens most of the times.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @09:29AM (1 child)
Azuma, buddy, in this case, I think you are overreacting.
Suppose TFA would have been from an AC submission - sincerely, what would have been your reaction to the story?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @03:35PM
"Ugh, another one of these? I bet it's one of our resident shit-stirrers trying to rile up the base again for the lulz. I really ought to go poke the eds and suggest they stop letting so much of this crap through..."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...