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posted by martyb on Saturday May 11 2019, @03:13PM   Printer-friendly
from the s/he dept.

Exclusive: Google releases 53 gender fluid emoji

[As emojis] become more inclusive, each becomes less universal. Jennifer Daniel, designer at Google, thinks about this deep irony at the heart of visual language all the time. She traces it back to the age-old problem with the male bathroom symbol. "That person could be man, woman, anyone," she says. "But they had to add a little detail, that dress, and suddenly that person symbol doesn't mean person anymore; it means man. And that culture means a man-centered culture."

While Daniel can't fix our bathroom signage, as the director of Android emojis, she can fix another problem: The lack of gender-neutral symbols in texting. She can give us the zombies, merpeople, children, weightlifters that are neither male nor female. "We're not calling this the non-binary character, the third gender, or an asexual emoji–and not gender neutral. Gender neutral is what you call pants," says Daniel. "But you can create something that feels more inclusive."

Google is launching 53 updated, gender ambiguous emoji as part of a beta release for Pixel smartphones this week (they'll come to all Android Q phones later this year). Whether Google calls them "non-binary" or not, they have been designed to live between the existing male and female emoji and recognize gender as a spectrum. Given that Google collaborates with many of its rivals on emoji, it's likely that Apple and others will release their takes on genderless emoji later this year.

Daniel sits on the Unicode consortium–the organization that sets core emoji standards, including signifiers like gender and other details, that designers at Apple, Google, and other companies then follow to create their emoji. Last year, she pointed out that there were 64 emoji that, according to Unicode's standards, were never meant to signify gender. In fact, 11 don't have a Unicode-defined signifier for male or female at all–like baby, kiss, fencing person, and snowboarder. As for the remaining 53, they could be male, female, or neither.

Yet Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, and, yes, Google, have often assigned genders with their designs for these emoji. It's why every construction worker across major operating systems is, by default, is a man. Unicode's standards dictated a construction "person," but tech companies decided to design them as construction men (and add women as a secondary option).

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Saturday May 11 2019, @07:45PM (5 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Saturday May 11 2019, @07:45PM (#842436) Journal

    Why not mark the toilet with, I don't know, a picture of a toilet? Isn't that the more interesting question?

    ...only in a culture that isn't engaged in drumming up fear and hate about sexuality. Here in the US, the general overall attitude and the indicator symbols that typically fall out of it are that if there is a male in a rest room, there can't be a female, because OMG Think Of The Children and Officer, that man was looking at me! Those kinds of stupidity won't be going away any time soon, either.

    Personally I don't care if the person on the toilet next to me is male or female, or if the person at the next urinal over is holding a dick or something like this. [amazon.com] That's how I feel about bodily elimination issues, which strike me personally as entirely non-sexual. Peeing, defecating... these do not stimulate me sexually at all. So rest rooms, in their turn, strike me as neutral ground. Except of course for the fact that the ones I see in public are almost universally segregated by people who have highly dubious motivations, which creates sexual tension where I find no reason at all for any to arise.

    Consequently, gendered signaling of any kind inside a rest room does nothing at all for/to me.

    Outside the rest room... I do care about gender plumage WRT dressing in a traditionally feminine manner and a traditionally male manner. I react with equal amusement and disinterest to both men wearing dresses and women wearing pants. That's partially because such fashions were not normalized when I grew up, a bias which I recognize but find I am actually not interested in getting out from under, and partially because I like to see a difference in plumage between male and female. That arises from the fact that I'm not the least sexually interested in males, and I am about as sexually interested in females as it is possible to be. Plumage that unequivocally and honestly signals biological sexual identity, according to me anyway, is a Very Good Thing.

    Having said that, while I certainly recognize the existence of males and females who have surgically altered their genitalia and/or secondary sexual characteristics, hormone balances, etc., in a sincere attempt to imitate being the other sex, as well as the existence of those who are genetically and/or disease-process driven into corner conditions that make them legitimately indeterminate to some degree, they all land in the same place as males do for me: not sexually interesting in the least. Some bluntly honest part of my psyche would consider it optimal if all of those people would wear pants or shorts, leaving dresses and skirts as the typical wear for those female parties who are actually female and like being female. As that's not even happening, I can sum up the current fashion circumstances with a sincerely felt "meh" for those who choose to color outside the lines, or without regard to lines at all. IOW, "Oh well."

    Anyway... quite aside from what I would like to see, sexually indicative fashions are changing. It is what it is. I am already all set when it comes to having a sexual partner I am satisfied with. So at this point, I can't bring myself to really get too exercised over it, while still finding it interesting in an "Oh my, look what they're doing now" sort of way. The whole rest room "must be gendered" thing is nothing less than a deeply embedded neurosis in my culture (US culture.) I don't expect to see any significant changes at all on that front. Not while the other voters still hell-bent on electing neurotic cluetards and superstition-pandering chumps to office, anyway.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Arik on Saturday May 11 2019, @07:59PM (2 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Saturday May 11 2019, @07:59PM (#842441) Journal
    "Personally I don't care if the person on the toilet next to me is male or female [snip a bit.] Peeing, defecating... these do not stimulate me sexually at all."

    I agree. You go there to do your business and get out, and so does everyone else, or should.

    "The whole rest room "must be gendered" thing is nothing less than a deeply embedded neurosis in my culture (US culture.) "

    I think you're right. What opened my eyes was spending some time in Europe, where it's rare to see that. There are single-occupant facilities, of course, but if you go to a bar or a ballpark or something like that where you're going to have large communal facilities, don't expect to see any gender markings on them. I'm pretty liberal but I still expected that to be somehow problematic, in retrospect just because I had NEVER seen it done. But I never saw a problem. If anything I think it worked better, being mixed probably encouraged people of both genders to do their thing and clear the space instead of standing around doing something stereotypical in front of the mirror.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 12 2019, @12:28AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 12 2019, @12:28AM (#842531)

      I agree. You go there to do your business and get out, and so does everyone else, or should.

      Problem is there are some people that don't. If bathrooms were unisex, male perverts would be aiming cameras into the neighboring stall, perhaps even sexually assault women with their pants down. Sure, it can happen to men too, but the historical assumption was there were so few homos around, and they were weak, so a real man victim would permanently fix their wagon.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Sunday May 12 2019, @04:28AM

        by Arik (4543) on Sunday May 12 2019, @04:28AM (#842584) Journal
        "If bathrooms were unisex, male perverts would be aiming cameras into the neighboring stall, perhaps even sexually assault women with their pants down."

        Sure, in a big country with millions of people, this might happen once or twice.

        But they'd be caught. Easily. Idiots.

        And that's fine. Catch them, deal with them, let the rest of us get on with life.

        What kind of an idiot is going to try to snake a camera under a stall divider to get a shot of someone pooping? I get that some people do fine it arousing, I don't know why but ok they do. So what? That move gets you a screaming (female? yeah we were talking about the case of a female) kicking your camera and at least a half dozen guys are going to come running in response to her screams.

        That's the sort of problem that solves itself if you just quit worrying about it.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 12 2019, @03:29AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 12 2019, @03:29AM (#842571)

    +1 for you for knowing what a pee funnel is. Best invention since sliced bread.

    • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Sunday May 12 2019, @03:33PM

      by fyngyrz (6567) on Sunday May 12 2019, @03:33PM (#842692) Journal

      Best invention since sliced bread.

      I can definitely see where sliced bread would be less effective in this role than a pee funnel, no matter how you folded it.

      Here's to a less soggy future!

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