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The UK Home Secretary Sajid Javid has signed off on the extradition of Julian Assange to the United States, reports El Reg.
Javid's certifying of the US extradition request lodged this week is the first formal step in having Assange sent across the pond. The next phase is tomorrow, when Belmarsh Magistrates' Court will set a date for a full extradition hearing. After that, assuming a district judge (full-time professional magistrate) OKs the extradition, Javid himself will make the final decision on whether or not to send the one-time chief WikiLeaker to America, as UK.gov's website explains. It is almost certain Assange will file an appeal to the High Court after the district judge's ruling, and again (as the law allows) after the Home Secretary's final decision.
In the US, Assange will face charges of violating espionage law.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @07:50PM (39 children)
Welcome to Clown World, where you are charged with violating shit outside of the jurisdction. So if I take a dump in my toilet I can expect to be extradited to India because shitting in toilet is against the law there? If I help a person who was hit by a car I'm going to get extradited to China, and have my organs forcefully "donated" while I'm still alive? We are not people, we are property.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by srobert on Thursday June 13 2019, @08:16PM (11 children)
And in Saudi, they execute people for blasphemy, Goddammit!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @09:45PM (5 children)
Wrong god.
So you are safe.
Just don't go calling Muhammad a pantywaste.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @10:32PM (3 children)
Actually, They are the same imaginary sky daddy [wikipedia.org].
If you want to get away from that, repeat after me:
Hooray for the Sun god!
He sure is a fun god!
Ra! Ra! Ra!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @02:11AM (1 child)
Wow Wikipedia sure proved your point!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @02:54AM
Ra! Ra! Ra!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @11:14AM
Quick save if you acidentally say: "Jesus, is the son of god", correct to "I meant Jesus is the sun-shine of God! Mohammad was a much greater profet". Quickly change the topic to "Have you heard that some crazies believe in a Spaghetti Monster?". Oh, yea humans are crazy right?. Hahha. Then you're back to being friends and eating spaghetti.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @01:45AM
Pantywaste: poopoo
Pantywaist: pansy bear
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 13 2019, @09:58PM (4 children)
It needs to be a crime in both nations.
And, we need to have an extradition treaty with that nation.
Since NONE of your or the ACs examples meet those criteria all your "what-ifs" are a bunch of nonsense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @06:27AM (3 children)
And are there no blasphemy laws anywhere in the USA?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @02:39PM (2 children)
Nope. Not a one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @03:18PM (1 child)
Wrong.
http://centreforinquiry.ca/blasphemy-laws-still-exist-in-the-united-states/ [centreforinquiry.ca]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @03:46PM
If a law has been voided and is unenforceable, even if it has not been explicitly expunged, it no longer has the force of law. As such, it is not, in fact, a law at all.
The US Constitution explicitly bars such laws (via the First Amendment) and extends that bar to the several states (via the Fourteenth Amendment). The passage of the Fourteenth Amendment voided all blasphemy statutes (as well as *any* statute that contradicts the US Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land) throughout the US. Any such laws still on the books are artifacts, unenforceable and void.
More recently, many US states also have laws either barring same-sex marriage or defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman. The US Supreme Court's 2015 ruling in Obergfell v. Hodges [wikipedia.org] made same-sex marriage legal throughout the United States.
While the numerous state laws barring such unions are still on the books, they are likewise unenforceable artifacts, void of the force of law.
Sorry, friend. Nice try. You'll do better next time, I'm sure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @08:17PM
Why go to China when you can get the same [youtube.com] *and* have bangers and mash? UK FTW!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @08:25PM (12 children)
Also in Clown World, Assange will never be extradited to USA! Only conspiracy theorists believe that! Never be extradited to USA! He'll just serve some time in UK for running out on bail and maybe another year in Sweden for rape! He would be a free man by now if he'd just owned up and let himself be arrested in the frist place!
*trollface*
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 13 2019, @09:36PM (7 children)
If he committed a crime against the US government then indicting him and extraditing him for trial is called DUE PROCESS. Of course he was going to be extradited if charged, that's how it works!
The Obama admin policy was to not indict him because they felt he was protected by the first ammendment. Trump differs, apparently.
What was never going to happen was summary execution of going directly to Gitmo or whatever other conspiracy theory nonsense people around here were spouting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @10:42PM
Never say never.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @11:02PM (2 children)
Just like how all the "conspiracy theory nonsense people" were of their rocker when they said that the charges against him by Sweden were just an excuse to get him to the US.
I just find it interesting how the goalposts keep moving. First it was that he had nothing to fear from the US and the arrest warrant was because Sweden was interested in him (and don't pay too much attention because he is an EVIL RAPIST... allegedly). Then when the secret extradition request was leaked due to the technical mistake, it was "not a big deal." Now we are taking solace in that it's "DUE PROCESS."
So what would need to happen to make this seem bad to the apologists? What if was given a show-trial in a kangaroo court? In a closed-door military tribunal? Sent to a secret prison "for his own safety given his high profile status?" Kept in solitary confinement? Waterboarded? Executed?
Exactly at what point is it, "this has gone too far?"
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @12:05AM (1 child)
It would need to happen to them.
It has gone too far only when it happens to them. So long as it's happening to someone else they have no problem with whatever it is that's happening.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday June 14 2019, @03:17PM
First they came for the Communists
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @03:11AM (2 children)
Horse shit. Time to admit the US is fucked up. Due process is a fiction, justice is a fiction, and it has been the same for millenia. The US was founded on the believable lie of freedom. The country was so large that malcontents could spread out, but now that relief valve is shut tight and the farce is finally being exposed.
The saving grace? The lie was so well propagated that many people believe it. So will we continue down the path of imperialism? Or will the US stand up for real freedom, real democracy?
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @03:22AM (1 child)
You said it, brother! All those sham trials back in the third and fourth centuries is a blemish that the US court system can't erase.
And don't forget all the horrible, unforgivable, prosecutorial abuses of US state and local prosecutors in the 11th and 12th centuries.
It's amazing that after all this time anyone believes the US can have justice.
Then again, there's at least one person (that'd be you) that thinks the US has existed for millenia, so who am I to judge?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 16 2019, @08:31AM
He was implying the prosecutorial injustices have been going on since the beginning of recorded history, and the only reason it took so long for it to be so obvious in the US is because there was plenty of space for the European colonists and settlers to spread out into, bringing 'civilization', and how said civilization due to being spread so thin, provided a believable veneer of freedom to the average person who had lots of room to struggle with hard work, or lies, cheating and stealing to eventually prosper. Now that America has reached its possible 'colonial' bounds, and had time to infill in all the most livable parts of the country, now the oppression is clamping down, just like it once did in Europe, China, and other 'civilized' parts of the world, where prosperity brought with it unyielding authoritarianism.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Mykl on Thursday June 13 2019, @11:21PM (2 children)
To all of those naysayers over the last many years - I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @04:27AM (1 child)
Have to admit it was brilliant planning on the part of the lizard people. We'll be arguing about whether the R team (because sitting president) or D team (because they apparently can't just drone him) are the bad guys all 2020 long.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday June 14 2019, @12:33PM
It's a great exploit of the innate human tendency to tribalism.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @02:36PM
sorry to bug into thread, but assange should have hid inside a micro$oft data center. stuff in m$ overseas datacenters never gets extradited ^_^
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @08:46PM
Jurisdiction refers to a court's legal authority to operate, not geography. The law generally does not respect citizenship, except in cases of diplomatic immunity (and I'm happy to be corrected). The Espionage Act, 18 US 793 (c) [cornell.edu] states it is a crime to receive classified information. 18 USC 793 (g) states that any conspiracy where one person acts in furtherance of it makes all conspirators guilty. All they need to is convince the UK that this is a crime under both British and US law to extradite the person. It takes the crime and the authority of the court over that crime, not geography, to make a case.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 13 2019, @09:30PM (8 children)
So if I want to murder you all I have to do is shoot you from international waters and it's totally not a crime! Good to know!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @09:33PM
Hmmm ... might you be interested in booking a boat rental? We may be able to accommodate your long-range "accessory" needs.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Pav on Thursday June 13 2019, @10:08PM
...because dubious and very local laws are totally the same as laws that apply universally and internationally.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @10:49PM (3 children)
I live on the shore, if you can shoot me from 12 miles out you deserve to walk, you would be quite possibly the best shot ever.
For some reference material: https://www.dailywire.com/news/17891/canadian-sniper-sets-record-longest-kill-shot-ever-hank-berrien [dailywire.com]
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 13 2019, @10:57PM (1 child)
MS-13 is interested in this novel theory on jurisdiction. There's a few Americans they would like to kill and they're pretty stoked that it's legal so long as they are standing in Mexico and the victim is standing in the US.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @04:45AM
Holy fucking shit! Here it is, folks, here it fucking is!
Xenophobic jibberish out of a member of a political party that pretends to be progressive!
"It can't happen here! It can't happen here!" Bullshit. It is happening here (with apologies to the person who called it).
Hmm, if Germany, expect the SPD to be outlawed, mmm, I'm going with 2021 for this one. And the NSDAP will rejoice, for their Führer is come!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13 2019, @11:09PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @04:37AM
Journalism is the equivalent of shooting people in Clown World. Top kek.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by shortscreen on Friday June 14 2019, @06:48AM
That depends, are you part of the US government? If so, then you can shoot anyone you want, mark the evidence as classified, and have anyone who publishes that evidence after it has been leaked extradited to stand trial for espionage.
(Score: 2) by coolgopher on Friday June 14 2019, @01:35AM (1 child)
Well this is gonna be one f*cked up kangaroo court then. I guess you guys are still running Gitmo? But hey, if you want to treat the man even worse, sentence him for terrorism, get his native country to strip him of his citizenship (yeah, we do that shit), and then send him back on a boat so he ends up in the detention centre on Manus Island instead...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @03:07AM
If convicted, Assange will end up in one of these locations [bop.gov].
Once there, he won't have to worry about whether anyone uses condoms or not.
Maybe he should stock up on these [wsj.com].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @05:32PM
Charles Fort, is that you?