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From Medium article:
https://elemental.medium.com/what-makes-women-strong-2c927bf286ef
"What Makes Women Strong?
Science is revealing that when it comes to physical prowess, women may actually be the more powerful sex""If discussions of human physical strength used endurance as the yardstick, women would be strongest. Women have already caught up to, or surpassed, men in some sports like long-distance swimming and ultrarunning, racking up the wins in mixed-gender races (with less support and training than the men). Recently, Camille Herron won 2018's Desert Solstice run, which lasts for 24 hours (she ran 162.9 miles in that time) and Courtney Dauwalter has won 11 mixed-sex ultramarathons, including the Moab 240, a 238-mile race along the Colorado River in Utah. Dauwalter beat the next-fastest competitor there, a man, by 10 hours.
In fact, plenty of research points to the idea that the longer the distance, the better chance a woman has in beating a man, possibly due to a combination of factors like high pain tolerance and less muscle fatigability. There could also be metabolic reasons — some researchers theorize that women burn energy in a way that supports long-distance energy needs. As investigative reporter David Epstein notes in his book, The Sports Gene, when a man and a woman are evenly matched, "the man will typically beat the woman at distances shorter than the marathon, but the woman will win if the race length is extended to forty miles."
[...] "Women are also bodily powerful (the definition of strong) in other ways: Women are also more flexible. "Women tend to have somewhat more laxity in their tendons than men; they are more limber," Dr. Steve Jordan, an orthopedic surgeon at the Andrews Institute for Orthopaedics and Sports Medicine, told The New York Times. Limber people are less likely to get hurt — less time spent on the sidelines or in surgery. Woman also have a very high degree of accuracy — and depending on the physical pursuit, that can make one athlete stronger than the next. Women on the Ladies Professional Golf Association tour regularly significantly outdrive professional men. And according to the National Rifle Association's Colonel Kenneth Haynes — a military logician in the Army who taught both men and women to shoot over a multi-decade career — women shoot guns more accurately: "My units had around 20 percent female personnel in both officer and enlisted ranks. All the women fired Expert their first day, but less than a third of the men did so," writes Haynes."
So, I really wanna hear the fireworks....
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Friday June 14 2019, @01:56PM (17 children)
I agree with your points, AC; but because I am an egalitarian:
Also why do women pay lower car insurance? Why do women get more time on parental leave? Why do women get to work part-time more? Why do men have higher suicide rates?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @02:21PM (3 children)
I am also an egalitarian. As such, the attitudes and cultural biases that hamstring women make me sick.
For a wide variety of reasons that are a complex interplay of culture, social dynamics and genetics.
I'm not going to write a thesis on the subject here. You seem like a pretty smart person, I'm sure you can get a pretty good idea with a little research. Although I suspect that if you are, as you say, an egalitarian, you have a general idea already.
Women pay less for car insurance because the actuaries say they should.
The underlying reasons are varied and complex and are similar to the reasons that men are 900 times more likely to commit an act of violence against another person than are women.
As for suicide rates, the reasons are similarly varied and complex.
Not sure where you live, but in the US, parental leave is a rare exception *for anyone* (at least with a guarantee of your job back, and certainly not with pay).
Again, not sure where you live, but most women *need* full time work and don't get it. That's not a feature, that's a bug -- and related to the attitudes I mentioned.
Why is it that more than 50% of women murdered are killed by their intimate partner [theatlantic.com]? Is that because women are seen as equals by the (overwhelmingly) men who do so?
The attitudes and cultural markers are deep within society. Changing those takes time. Would it be better if that weren't the case? Definitely. But it's not, and ignoring or whitewashing the issues won't make change happen faster -- just the opposite IMHO.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @05:46PM (2 children)
Feminist AC, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.
I shouldn't have to clarify this, but for you I know I must:
THAT WASN'T A JAB AT YOUR SEX OR GENDER! It was a jab at your sexist superiority complex!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @06:14PM
Which part of my comment did you think was lacking in reasonableness, clarity of thought or logic that you would reach that conclusion?
What about my comment would lead you to believe that I consider one gender to be superior to another?
In a nutshell, I said that the reasons for a variety of differences between men and women were the result of culture, social dynamics and genetics. What about that gave you the idea that I held one sex in greater esteem than another?
While I realize that you're trying to get a rise out of me (I suspect because you think that I am and/or identify as female, neither of which are true) by attempting to insult me (a classic trolling tactic), I'm not taking the bait. Sorry about that.
What I'll do instead is ask you to explain:
1. What was it, specifically, that gives you a reasonable idea that I am, as you said, "not the sharpest tool in the shed"?
2. What was it, specifically, that gives you a reasonable sense that I have a "sexist superiority complex"?
I'm really curious about that for a couple of reasons. I'd be really interested to know what might give you the impressions you did, as I don't see it at all. The second is to confirm my suspicion that, for whatever reasons, you don't agree with me and rather than making arguments to rebut or counter mine, you chose to troll instead.
I expect that you won't respond at all, except possibly to once again attempt to bait me, but this reply is evidence of my hope that you'll engage in a real discussion that might garner some interesting ideas. I won't hold my breath.
I hope you prove my pessimism to be unfounded.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @07:26PM
I imagine this is right up your alley [motherless.com] [NSFW], huh?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday June 14 2019, @02:29PM (12 children)
Because women wreck their cars less often and less severely on average than men do. Men speed more. Men also account for a strong majority of DUIs. Also potentially relevant is that men on average choose riskier vehicles than women, e.g. a jacked-up pick-up with a huge rollover risk rather than a relatively safe sedan.
You want to help change this? Stop driving like a dumbass, or help self-driving cars become the norm so the gender of the driver doesn't matter.
Because men are paid more on average, so a rational financial decision for any family is to do without mom's smaller paycheck rather than without dad's larger paycheck. In countries where parental leave is paid rather than unpaid, and especially when there are policies in place encouraging dad to take time off to raise baby, dads are taking a lot more parental leave.
They get hired less often for full-time managerial roles, they get lower salaries for full-time roles, and employers of some professions dominated by women push them to work part-time so they don't have to pay benefits. After the ACA in particular, an awful lot of jobs suddenly became 29 hours a week, just under the threshold for requiring employers to pay for health insurance.
I'm not sure I'd describe this as "get to": There are a lot of women who would work full-time if they could, but can't, and it's one of the reasons for the pay gap between men and women.
There's been a lot of research into this, but two major reasons are:
1. Men are less likely to seek out therapy when they need it. Mostly because of cultural stereotypes that suggest it's unmanly to get help no matter how much you need it.
2. Women are more likely to attempt suicide, but men are more likely to succeed at offing themselves because they tend to shoot themselves in the head rather than overdose or cut or hang themselves.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Friday June 14 2019, @02:55PM (8 children)
So for women, it's all unconscious (or otherwise) bias. And for men, it's all "well sucks to be a guy"?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @03:02PM
Wow! That's some non-sequitur you've got there.
Does that come naturally, or did you take a class?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday June 14 2019, @03:31PM (4 children)
It doesn't suck to be a guy. I'm a guy, and I've never thought to myself "Oh, woe is me! I hate having to get paid 30% more for my work, or having to pay 15% less on my personal care products. I hate being able to go about my life with little reason to think someone will rape me. I hate that I get better prices on cars because dealers assume I know what I'm talking about in a way they don't for my female friends, even those who've done far more work on cars than I ever have. I hate my significantly smaller risk of UTIs and breast cancer, and my complete lack of having to deal with periods and yeast infections and pregnancy and childbirth. I hate being on average able to fairly easily out-muscle about half of everybody around me if I needed to (and I've needed to)."
There are some aspects of being male that are less than desirable, but the stuff I just mentioned is what happens when I'm going about my life not trying to take any sort of advantage of my male-ness.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by PiMuNu on Friday June 14 2019, @04:15PM (3 children)
I get it. There are features which give guys advantages in many circumstances. I just point out, for balance's sake, that there are also biases which give women advantages in some circumstances as well. I can add a few more in: massive bias in law courts when it comes to custody cases; increased likelihood of being victim of violent crime; increased likelihood of being a perpetrator of violent crime; increased likelihood of some other forms of cancer that are not breast cancer.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday June 14 2019, @04:51PM (2 children)
Except that in 1980, the legal doctrine about who should get custody changed significantly, and now it's pretty standard for dad to get at least shared custody if he wants it unless there's a good reason for him not to. In short, your argument is about 30 years out of date.
And an awful lot of that comes down to "Don't join drug gangs, you idiot!" and "Don't get into bar fights, moron!"
OK, now you're really grasping at straws. If you attack somebody, and are punished for it, that's your own damn fault, and you know it.
Yeah, cancer sucks in all its forms. That's why there are colonoscopies, prostate exams, and other efforts to detect and prevent cancer in men.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday June 15 2019, @09:25AM
Ah, the whole world has only one shared legal system? Or are you referring to less than 5% of the world with your sweeping statement?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday June 17 2019, @08:12AM
> In short, your argument is about 30 years out of date.
I'm going on the basis of anecdotal evidence from a friend who works in family law (in UK).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @06:47PM
Sucks to be a guy? Far from it. Guys don't have to deal with menstruation, menopause, breasts, pregnancy etc. And if they don't get too mired in "country matters", they could get a pretty nice life out of it.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday June 15 2019, @07:22AM
I've always been a guy. I never thought it was bad, or felt that I was missing out or being ill-treated.
I like being a guy.
I've never thought that I was getting a raw deal because I was a man. I've had traumas (some really fucked up ones too) and been jerked around some.
And I've made some poor choices. But those were *my* choices.
Honestly, when you say "well sucks to be a guy." I don't get it. Why does it suck to be a guy?
There have been plenty of times when my *life* sucked. But I don't think it would have sucked any more or less if I was a girl. It was just 'life'.
I'm not trolling here. I honestly don't get it. I'm not asking for your life story or anything,
I'd just like to get a sense of what makes being a guy any more or less good or bad than being a girl.
Seriously. Am I missing something important here?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @08:29PM (1 child)
Do they though? Or do women just get let go with a warning more often than men? Oddly enough, the vast majority of people I know that drive SUVs are short women (it "makes them feel safer") and the guys drive sedans.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday June 14 2019, @11:06PM
Tee-hee! Let go with a warning after a roll-over accident.
Maaan, it's good to be a woman. (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @10:46PM
Even if you as an individual don't drive like a dumbass, you're still being discriminated against on the basis of sex. Kind of like with women paying higher interest rates.