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posted by martyb on Friday June 14 2019, @07:10PM   Printer-friendly
from the big-impact-from-very-little-things dept.

China Is Still Multiple Generations Behind In Chip Manufacturing

When it comes to the actual foundries China has within its borders, the picture isn't good for the country. Perhaps the most advanced foundry there is owned by Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC). A company spokesperson late last year said, "Our 14nm technology will start risk production by 2019, 12nm process development is completed and under customer verification."

Keep in mind how much further along the rest of the world is: TSMC (Taiwan) is already producing high performance AMD CPUs on its 7nm process with low power Apple parts having shipped in 2018, Samsung is readying advanced EUV production lines for NVIDIA's next generation of graphics chips, and Intel is rolling out its 7nm-equivalent this year as well. We even reported yesterday that TSMC is now actively developing its 2nm node!

If China's most advanced foundry is only beginning low-volume 14nm production this year, that would put them about four or five years behind the rest of the world. An eternity in the world of semiconductors.

For now, Huawei is building their world-class and cutting edge SoC, Kirin 980 on TSMC's 7nm process. If they were forced to use SMIC's 14nm process it would force them to regress in both performance and efficiency which would be a death-knell. Currently the Kirin 980 can compete with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 855, but should Huawei be forced to fab its chips within its own countries[sic] borders this wouldn't be the case.

[...] It seems Chinese companies will have to do things the old fashioned way and grit their way through the learning curve with using these chip-production tools. One way around this would be to hire talent away from companies with a mature understanding of the technology, but even this is proving difficult.

For instance a Chinese DRAM company CXMT attempted to hire away a top Samsung engineer who had expertise in his field, but a South Korean court blocked the move. Kim Chi-wook headed the company's DRAM design team and would be a home-run hire for any DRAM company lacking knowledge. The court made no qualms about the fact that the engineer getting hired by CXMT would potentially hurt Samsung's competitive edge. They wrote, "Chinese semiconductor companies are estimated to be three years to 10 years behind in technology gap regarding DRAM designing technique."


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @07:29PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @07:29PM (#855712)

    Taiwan is part of China.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @07:38PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @07:38PM (#855720)

    Taiwan is still occupied by the US and is ruled by the US appointed military governor. Yes, this position is currently empty, but this does not change the legal fact.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 15 2019, @01:02AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 15 2019, @01:02AM (#855836)

      Yes, this position is currently empty, but this does not change the legal fact.

      China.... concerned about US legal facts... ROFLMAO

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday June 14 2019, @08:06PM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday June 14 2019, @08:06PM (#855731) Journal

    Comment would have been better if you had said "Chinese Taipei".

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @11:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @11:12PM (#855801)

    > Taiwan is part of China.

    Well, yeah, according to the Mainland, but not according to many other countries.

    I call shill from the People's Republic, who knew that our little SN was worth bothering with...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @11:57PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14 2019, @11:57PM (#855808)
    That's a delusion that most of the world is pleased to humour the PRC with, but when the rubber meets the road, Taiwan is de facto treated as a distinct country.
    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday June 15 2019, @02:06AM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday June 15 2019, @02:06AM (#855859) Homepage

      I have worked for many businesses that also did business in Taiwan, and in some cases I have seen our operations outsourced there. "Almost as cheap as Chinks without being Chinks" is how I would describe them.

      And if you doubt me, look at their mailing addresses:

      8624 ChingChong Street
      837-5309 WongDong business district 34345io345o34i5yoi5y3i
      Tapei, Taiwan 4523457028347582345082347