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An independent tribunal sitting in London has concluded that the killing of detainees in China for organ transplants is continuing, and victims include imprisoned followers of the Falun Gong movement.
The China Tribunal, chaired by Sir Geoffrey Nice QC, who was a prosecutor at the international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, said in a unanimous determination at the end of its hearings it was “certain that Falun Gong as a source - probably the principal source - of organs for forced organ harvesting”.
“The conclusion shows that very many people have died indescribably hideous deaths for no reason, that more may suffer in similar ways and that all of us live on a planet where extreme wickedness may be found in the power of those, for the time being, running a country with one of the oldest civilisations known to modern man.”
He added: “There is no evidence of the practice having been stopped and the tribunal is satisfied that it is continuing.”
[...] China announced in 2014 that it would stop removing organs for transplantation from executed prisoners and has dismissed the claims as politically-motivated and untrue.
[...] There have been calls for the UK parliament to ban patients from travelling to China for transplant surgery. More than 40 MPs from all parties have backed the motion. Israel, Italy, Spain and Taiwan already enforce such restrictions.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 25 2019, @08:00PM (7 children)
Goodness.
You live in a fantasy world don't you?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday June 27 2019, @02:55AM (6 children)
And as I noted earlier, the US easily traces its roots to ancient Greece (already halfway to that imaginary 5000 year past of yours) and beyond to the ancient religions and codes of the Middle East and Egypt, which in turn can trace their roots beyond 5000 years (both being older civilizations than China).
And now we can trace the past of mankind beyond two million years. China doesn't hold a candle to that.
Finally, let us keep in mind that the Communists destroyed much of that past. We all are fortunate that the Chinese turned away from that destructive ignorance to modern society. Much of the world's improvement over the past 40 decades is due to this Chinese ascent. It's tiresome to hear this mystic bullshit from people like you who can't begin to be bothered to think about periods that far back. Yet you feel the need to lecture us.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday June 27 2019, @08:31PM (5 children)
Good lord! Care to explain how 13 colonies of the British Empire can trace it's roots back to Greece?
I am still not sure why you would think that China having some civil wars then changing the structure of it's government makes it forget about it's history. You should explain how that works too.
You have obviously never seen a Chinese movie. They love historical epics that glorify their ancient history.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday June 28 2019, @05:16AM (4 children)
Greek traditions of philosophy and religion (for example), inherited by Europe via the ancient influence of the Roman Empire, and then inherited by the US through its European immigrants. Pretty straightforward.
The 13 colonies felt the connection strongly enough that they named hundreds of towns after Greek and Roman cities of history, and developed a lot of "neoclassical" architecture in the Roman and Greek traditions.
Well, I guess that lack of certainty depends on you, PTZ not knowing how Communism in the 20th Century worked. Destroying the past and inventing a fictitious past that would display the mythic inevitably progressive nature of Communism was MO for controlling the population.
Because "glorifying the past" is remotely relevant to accurately remembering the past, right?
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday June 30 2019, @05:42AM (3 children)
Oh right.
So your founding fathers read the classics, so therefore you can trace your roots back to the Greeks? It is like you almost know nothing about how Europe rediscovered the ancient Greeks via Islam.
I wouldn't really expect you to actually know the history though, so no surprises there.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday June 30 2019, @12:47PM (2 children)
Indeed. I think you're getting it now. It's that simple.
Which happened later than the ancient Greeks. Remember that you were bloviating about the ancientness of Chinese "tracing of roots"? Well, that's part of how the tracing went from ancient Greeks and Romans to the modern world. It isn't any more relevant than that.
Why should anyone expect your expectations to be remotely relevant to reality?
Frankly, your expectations are ludicrous, such as your dumbass assertion that China's persecution complex should be excused today because certain bad people did bad things to them more than a hundred years ago. Sorry, that was then. And a hundred years remains a long time no matter where you are.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday June 30 2019, @07:46PM (1 child)
Of course it's that simple to you.
300 hundred years ago some people who set up our system of government read some book so therefore we're just like the people who wrote them?
I'm pretty sure some of them read the Upanishads too. So that makes you the heirs of the various Indian empires too I suppose.
Oh, by the way. If you live in Europe and attend the village church that was built in the 11th century, a hundred years is pretty much yesterday.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 01 2019, @01:47PM
It's that simple to you too, even if you choose to ignore it.
What was that book? A typical reading list would have dozens to hundreds of such books, involve learning Greek and Latin, and of course, all that history. This is years of study.
Indeed. Look, the whole mythos about China being some unique, 5000 year entity is bullshit. There is no magical nutrient in Chinese soil or gene in the Chinese genome that transmits this imaginary, 5000 year outlook. It's just culture. And it gets transmitted just like every other culture gets transmitted: by personal interaction with other people who hold to that culture, by the above books, and such.
Except just like everywhere else, almost nobody was around 100 years ago.
I notice you ignore that most places in the world live on land that is millions to billions of years old. So why isn't a 100 years considered just a fraction of a second? Just the other day, I was driving on a 50 million year old volcano (which is a youngster) and I presently live in a 600k year old volcanic caldera (a baby, really).
Time is relative, of course. And sorry, I don't buy that a bunch of short-timers from Europe or China have any better or even different grasp on time than a bunch of short-timers from the US.