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Chris Siebenmann, a UNIX herder at the University of Toronto CS Lab, asserts that the death watch for the X Window System (aka X11) has probably started:
I was recently reading Christian F.K. Schaller's On the Road to Fedora Workstation 31 (via both Fedora Planet and Planet Gnome). In it, Schaller says in one section (about Gnome and their move to fully work on Wayland):
Once we are done with this we expect X.org to go into hard maintenance mode fairly quickly. The reality is that X.org is basically maintained by us and thus once we stop paying attention to it there is unlikely to be any major new releases coming out and there might even be some bitrot setting in over time. We will keep an eye on it as we will want to ensure X.org stays supportable until the end of the RHEL8 lifecycle at a minimum, but let this be a friendly notice for everyone who rely the work we do maintaining the Linux graphics stack, get onto Wayland, that is where the future is.
X11, for all its advantages, also has several incurable design flaws relating to security. However, the major distros have not yet been in any hurry to replace it. Wayland is touted as the next step in graphical interfaces. What are Soylentils thoughts on Wayland or the demise of X11?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by hendrikboom on Thursday July 04 2019, @05:08PM (12 children)
I am still actively using ssh -X
I do it when accessing an accounting progam running on a server from my laptop.
I do it when reading my email using mutt. When I see an HTML message that seems safe, I read it using a server-side browser. I'd prefer a client-side browser (i.e. a browser that runs on the confusingly named X server), but there doesn't seem to be an obviou way to do this).
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Thursday July 04 2019, @05:37PM (2 children)
copy-paste not working through ssh?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 04 2019, @07:52PM (1 child)
Works fine for me.
You may be seeing issues with stuff using cut buffers vs selections.
Try autocutsel (Debian has packaged it for years; not sure about other distros).
If you use startx, drop this line into your .xinitrc:
autocutsel -f
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Thursday July 04 2019, @10:48PM
Thanks, and come out of hiding!
(Score: 5, Informative) by maxwell demon on Thursday July 04 2019, @06:04PM (2 children)
I don't get why people get confused. A server is a program that manages a resource. In this case, the resource is your screen, keyboard and mouse. Your screen, keyboard and mouse are on your local computer, therefore the X server runs on your local computer.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 04 2019, @08:20PM
Is that really so hard to get? In a typical client-server architecture, the "server" is the role performing background tasks on behalf of the client, and the user interacts with the client using input and output devices. What other client-server architecture has the end user operating the server?
(Score: 4, Informative) by epitaxial on Friday July 05 2019, @01:55PM
Because when people think of a server in nearly every instance it's something remote you are interfacing with.
(Score: 3, Informative) by digitalaudiorock on Thursday July 04 2019, @07:19PM (3 children)
I use ssh -X all the time as well. One example is using the mythtv-setup GUI on my headless MythTV backend. I have no X server running there and don't want one. Wouldn't trade that for anything. The article should have been talking about how wayland is dying before it's ever been widely adopted, because it's a piece of shit that needs to be sunk on the same boat as systemd.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday July 05 2019, @01:06AM (2 children)
Is it really? I'd be happier with some citations here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday July 05 2019, @03:57AM
I think this is akin to Fox news commentary on North Korean visits by recent US presidents... it's not about the actual merits of the actions, it's all about which team you cheer for.
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(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Friday July 05 2019, @12:41PM
Maybe I'm mistaken. Are there distributions using it by default? I didn't think there were many (or any?). The sentiment I see most everywhere seems to be that most want no part of it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 05 2019, @08:55AM (1 child)
You could take something simple like phantomjs, or chromes rendering/test engine, and headlessly render the html -> pdf.
An email message shouldn't have any complex HTML in it.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14239194 [ycombinator.com]
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Friday July 05 2019, @03:32PM
I quite agree that an email message shouldn't have complex html in it.
Those that do are mostly spam. So seeing the html in text-only mode is an easy manual filtering technique.
But I have a few corporate correspondents that send complex html only, and I actually want to read the messages.