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posted by martyb on Monday July 08 2019, @11:58AM   Printer-friendly
from the I've-still-got-plenty-of-time dept.

A math equation that predicts the end of humanity:

The most mind-boggling controversy in the contemporary philosophy of science is the "doomsday argument," a claim that a mathematical formula can predict how long the human race will survive. It gives us even odds that our species will meet its end within the next 760 years.

The doomsday argument doesn't tell what's going to kill us — it just gives the date (very, very approximately).

Yet, I [William Poundstone] now believe the doomsday prediction merits serious attention — I've written my latest book about it. Start with J. Richard Gott III. He's a Princeton astrophysicist, one of several scholars who independently formulated the doomsday argument in the last decades of the 20th century. (Others are physicists Holger Bech Nielsen and Brandon Carter and philosopher John Leslie.) In 1969, Gott was a physics undergraduate fresh out of Harvard, spending the summer in Europe. At a visit to the Berlin Wall, he did a quick calculation and announced to a friend: The Berlin Wall will stand at least 2 and 2/3 more years but no more than 24 more years.

Demolition on the wall began 21 years later. This motivated Gott to write his method up. He published it in the journal Nature in 1993. There, Gott wrote of the future of humanity itself. He forecast a 95 percent chance that the human race would cease to exist within 12 to 18,000 years.

Not all Nature readers were convinced. "'There are lies, damn lies and statistics' is one of those colourful phrases that bedevil poor workaday statisticians," biostatistician Steven N. Goodman complained in a letter to Nature. "In my view, the statistical methodology of Gott ... breathes unfortunate new life into the saying."

Yet Gott and his predictions also received favorable attention in the[sic] New York Times[*] and the[sic] New Yorker[*] (where a profile of Gott was titled "How to Predict Everything"). Gott is an engaging storyteller with a Kentucky accent that's survived decades in the Ivy League. He has become a sort of scientific soothsayer, successfully predicting the runs of Broadway plays and when the Chicago White Sox would again win the World Series (they did in 2005).

Can it really be that easy to predict "everything"? It quickly became clear that 1) most scholars believe the doomsday argument is wrong, and 2) there is no consensus on why it's wrong. To this day, Gott's method, and a related one developed by Carter and Leslie, inspire a lively stream of journal articles.

You can read more about the doomsday debate on Quora

[*] The name of these publications do include the word "the" and should, therefore, be capitalized: The New York Times and The New Yorker, respectively.


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  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday July 08 2019, @08:21PM (4 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Monday July 08 2019, @08:21PM (#864679) Journal

    Come now! The prediction is based on the fact that humanity exists. The probability of the existence of humanity is therefore 1. The probability of humanity ceasing to exist, if humanity did not exist, =0. Therefore, the probability of humanity ending, once it in fact exists, is >0. This is such a profound conclusion that it behooves the theorist to choose some random value greater than zero, to make it appear to be non-vacuous. The real difficulty is that zero is greater than zero, when we are dealing with probability, since impossible means zero possibility, but not impossible does not mean actual possibility.
    Or, in Modal logic notation
    ◊A = ∼◻∼A
    but
    ∼◻∼A ≠ ◊∼A

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday July 08 2019, @08:33PM (3 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 08 2019, @08:33PM (#864687) Journal

    Uh... We're not proving civilization doesn't exist or is possible to exist. We're discussing entirely hypothetical ways of estimating black swan events. Or broadly the durability of civilization. Like in a very informal sense those relate to existence in a pretty intuitive way. But in a strict syllogistic sense... they're very disconnected.

    Given that, that symbolic logic doesn't help much. It sheds light on the wrong question?

    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday July 08 2019, @09:47PM (2 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday July 08 2019, @09:47PM (#864717)

      Are we actually agreed that civilisation does exist though?

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by ikanreed on Monday July 08 2019, @11:28PM (1 child)

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 08 2019, @11:28PM (#864754) Journal

        They made 6 games in the series. Unquestionable.

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday July 09 2019, @12:21AM

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday July 09 2019, @12:21AM (#864780)

          Your slanderous tongue will make it all the more satisfying when I stand before the ruins of your capital!