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posted by Fnord666 on Friday July 12 2019, @05:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the tweets-are-for-birds dept.

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Trump's Twitter blocks violate First Amendment rights, appeals court affirms

It's one thing for most of us to block Twitter users who annoy us, but it's a violation of those users' First Amendment rights for the president to do so, a federal appeals court confirmed.

The US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit on Tuesday issued an opinion supporting an earlier federal court ruling that as long as Donald Trump is a public official, he cannot block people (which prevents them from reading his feed or responding to his comments) he disagrees with on Twitter.

The opinion (PDF) is narrow, specific, and unanimous, with all three judges concurring. "We do not consider or decide whether an elected official violates the Constitution by excluding persons from a wholly private social media account," the judges write, "Nor do we consider whether private social media companies are bound by the First Amendment when policing their platforms."

But, they continue, "The First Amendment does not permit a public official who utilizes a social media account for all manner of official purposes to exclude persons from an otherwise-open online dialogue because they expressed views with which the official disagrees.... Once the President has chosen a platform and opened up its interactive space to millions of users and participants, he may not selectively exclude those whose views he disagrees with."

"The irony of all this," the opinion concludes, "is that we write at a time in the history of this nation when the conduct of our government and its officials is subject to wide-open, robust debate. This debate encompasses an extraordinarily broad range of ideas and viewpoints and generates a level of passion and intensity the likes of which have rarely been seen. This debate, as uncomfortable and unpleasant as it frequently may be, is nonetheless a good thing. In resolving this appeal, we remind the litigants and the public that if the First Amendment means anything, it means that the best response to disfavored speech on matters of public concern is more speech, not less."

[Update 20190713_080924 UTC: Part of what distinguishes this case from other politician's use of twitter is that on June 6, 2017 it was reported:

At the daily White House press briefing, press secretary Sean Spicer said the President's tweets are considered official White House statements, saying the President is the "most effective messenger on his agenda."

--martyb]


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  • (Score: 0, Redundant) by jmorris on Friday July 12 2019, @07:48AM (9 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Friday July 12 2019, @07:48AM (#866153)

    Look below, Arik got it. There is no effective difference in WHO does the banning. If it is protected communication between citizen and elected official then the argument that Trump can't ban probably stands, but then Jack can't banhammer either because it is the same thing. Just because he chooses not to protect Trump from his critics doesn't save him if he is openly doing it for AOC. In fact it makes it even more indefensible. If the rule is you can't be banned from communicating with your elected officials, and they are deemed to be "on the clock" and conducting such official business that these rules need to be enforced, then it is a platform and Jack can't ban users who aren't breaking any laws.

    Imagine AT&T was still "The Phone Company" for a moment. The White House switchboard implemented a block list to keep the annoying jerks who call up every other day to complain. Courts smack them down. So they ask a big contributor, who happens to be CEO of AT&T, to just turn off the phones of the annoying people. Think that flies in a court? Anywhere in the West? Now explain what is different with Twitter other than the "On the Internet" reality distortion field. Are you seeing it yet? BOOM!

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Friday July 12 2019, @08:02AM (8 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 12 2019, @08:02AM (#866156) Journal

    If it is protected communication between citizen and elected official then the argument that Trump can't ban probably stands, , but then Jack can't banhammer either because...

    I hope you realize that if Twitter wounlnd't be constrained by the strictly economic risk of losing customers, they could ban Trump at any moment from their platform.
    Is there any law to force a private business to carry the president's message? 'cause if there is, then there is no difference I can see between being a private company and a nationalized one. It happened quite a lot in USSR and the communist European countries, I know from direct experience.

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Friday July 12 2019, @08:41AM (7 children)

      by Arik (4543) on Friday July 12 2019, @08:41AM (#866168) Journal
      No, I think you're quite right.

      They're able to ban him and all elected officials, via ToS, overnight.

      And they're more than welcome to do so. It would be the glorious day of their death, and a small liberation of the internet as a result.

      Because he'd just move to a more friendly platform, and they would die.
      --
      If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Friday July 12 2019, @09:40AM (6 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 12 2019, @09:40AM (#866174) Journal

        So, if they can kick out the POTUS, it follows they can kick out anyone.
        So, jmorris' assertion twitter has a legal special obligation to carry the speech of anyone only because it's between that one and POTUS is bullshit.

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Arik on Friday July 12 2019, @09:53AM (3 children)

          by Arik (4543) on Friday July 12 2019, @09:53AM (#866177) Journal
          No.

          "So, if they can kick out the POTUS, it follows they can kick out anyone."

          No, no. Ok, yes, but no.

          They can kick out POTUS. THEN they kick out anyone they want.

          But until they kick out POTUS, then, logically, they are willingly hosting a public hall.

          In which case they really can't kick out anyone, barring a judicial order to do so.
          --
          If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday July 12 2019, @11:46AM (2 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 12 2019, @11:46AM (#866191) Journal

            But until they kick out POTUS, then, logically, they are willingly hosting a public hall.

            It doesn't necessary follow. See, they aren't promising they'll enforce their ToS every time for everyone, they reserve for themselves the right to do it at their discretion.
            Like they reserve their right to kick-out a rowdy red-neck, but also have the discretion to not do it for certain prominent red-necks.
            Otherwise, read their ToS and show me where they made the (bound by commercial law) offer/promise they will host an open hall. If you can't find such a promise, methinks no judge will ever hold them guilty for not doing so.

            Excerpts from Twitter's ToS [twitter.com]

            We reserve the right to remove Content that violates the User Agreement, including for example, copyright or trademark violations, impersonation, unlawful conduct, or harassment.
            ...
            We may suspend or terminate your account or cease providing you with all or part of the Services at any time for any or no reason, including, but not limited to, if we reasonably believe:...

            Doesn't sound like as a "promise to host a public hall", does it?

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
            • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday July 12 2019, @11:55AM (1 child)

              by Arik (4543) on Friday July 12 2019, @11:55AM (#866194) Journal
              No, you're right, their ToS, at least the parts you quoted, don't lean in that direction, in isolation.

              But the court decision we were discussing introduce a very different element to the conversation.

              Please try to keep up.
              --
              If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
              • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Friday July 12 2019, @12:07PM

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 12 2019, @12:07PM (#866200) Journal

                But the court decision we were discussing introduce a very different element to the conversation.

                Please try to keep up.

                I think you are having a wet dream and you may be embarrassed of your uncontrollable excitement when you wake up.
                Because, there, no further then TFS:

                The opinion (PDF) is narrow, specific, and unanimous, with all three judges concurring. ... "Nor do we consider whether private social media companies are bound by the First Amendment when policing their platforms."

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                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 1) by Arik on Friday July 12 2019, @10:17AM (1 child)

          by Arik (4543) on Friday July 12 2019, @10:17AM (#866181) Journal
          This is so beautiful. The sheer tar baby logic of it. I can't believe it will actually work out that way in the end, because nothing ever makes sense or is just in the end in this world. But that's some severe legal judo. That might even justify the fanboi chant about 4d chess.
          --
          If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 12 2019, @02:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 12 2019, @02:28PM (#866236)

            Racist!