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posted by chromas on Tuesday July 23 2019, @09:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the Moore-for-less dept.

DRAM Prices to Slide Over 40% in 2019 Because Chip Makers Can't Forecast:

The laws of botched supply and demand forecasting are coming home to roost for the semiconductor industry in 2019 with DRAM average sales price set to fall 42.1 per cent.

The latest ladle of doom and gloom was poured onto the sector this morning by Gartner, days after IC Insights delivered its dark prognosis for chip makers.

"A weaker pricing environment for memory and some other chip types combined with the US-China trade dispute and lower growth in major applications, including smartphones, servers and PCs is driving the global semiconductor market to its lowest growth level since 2009," said Gartner analyst Ben Lee.

Smartphones sales are touted to fall 3.3 per cent to 2.2 billion units this year – the steepest recorded drop in their history. Traditional desktops and notebooks are forecast to drop to 187.2 million from 195.3 million last year. As for servers, the big cloud providers have put spending on pause.

The upshot of this is that global semiconductor revenues are expected to drop 9.6 per cent year-on-year to $475bn. This is down 3.4 per cent on Gartner's earlier forecast and likely could be revised again before the end of 2019 is upon us.

Given the chip makers are facing pricing pressure on memory, I would expect them to try and transition to more profitable markets such as processors. If enough of them have the same idea, are we on the verge of a drop in CPU prices, too?

Or will enough people see the drop in memory prices and use that as justification to upgrade their motherboard so as to be able to support more and/or faster memory — leading to an increase in mobo prices?

To complicate matters even further, Microsoft's Windows 7 is slated to go unsupported at year's end. Will companies install Windows 10 on existing systems or decide to do a hardware upgrade at the same time? How will the promise of a lower energy bill and thus lessened cost of doing business going to factor in?

What are YOU going to do?


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Freeman on Tuesday July 23 2019, @10:31PM (13 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Tuesday July 23 2019, @10:31PM (#870502) Journal

    Totally useless, unless you've got a specific use case in mind. Better to spend it on faster RAM, faster CPU, bigger SSD, or a better GPU. In the event, you only have a HDD, go with a SSD, it's the single most notable upgrade I've had in a long time.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 23 2019, @10:49PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 23 2019, @10:49PM (#870509)

    I just put together a brand new machine - Ryzen 3700X, 5700 navi, 32 gigs, so I'll throw another 2x16 if the price of RAM drops. Root is f2fs on nvme ssd (uefi stub because grub doesn't work yet) so I don't need ssds.

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:53PM (2 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:53PM (#870723) Journal

      nvme ssd is an ssd . . . so yeah, you already have it covered. Was pointing out, if you've got a HDD, a SSD is a huge improvement.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 24 2019, @05:24PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 24 2019, @05:24PM (#870763)

        you will need to get a big boy OS before telling the big kids how to build a computer.

        • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday July 25 2019, @04:34PM

          by Freeman (732) on Thursday July 25 2019, @04:34PM (#871120) Journal

          Define "big boy OS", while I've stuck with Windows for my entertainment. I've tinkered with several distributions throughout the years. I've installed Lubuntu on an old Thinkpad A21m, and I've hacked on Puppy Linux to make a Kiosk for my Library. The future may yet be, SteamOS on my entertainment machine, but we'll see. I've not had the luxury of spending thousands of dollars on my machine at a time, so a major part of my calculations is money. Intel/Apple, pretty much always have been the more expensive option for me. While AMD hasn't been "the best", typically. They have put out good and sometimes even great things for a much cheaper price point. Call me crazy, but I love a company that tries to compete for my money. Beyond that, the advice I've given, is good advice.

          Unless you have a specific use case, 64GB of RAM is nowhere in the realm of, yeah, I'll need that some time real soon. VR is about as intensive as it gets entertainment wise and even 32GB of RAM is overkill. Web browsing + office suite, etc. barely gets you to need 4 to 8GB of RAM. You start getting into serious use of Photoshop, Video editing, Encoding/Decoding audio/video, serious compiling for programming, etc, and you're much better off thinking, the more the better as far as RAM is concerned. That is all highly dependent on the software taking advantage of the extra RAM, though.

          As much as I like the idea of Linux, FreeBSD, etc. They're more work than they're worth for the moment. At least from a purely, entertainment driven perspective. I don't want to spend 2 hours getting the GPU drivers right, etc. If it's not one thing, it's another, as far as Linux and gaming is concerned. Even, Linux + Netflix isn't a done deal. Now, if I was wanting to only play 5+ year old games, and have a 5+ year old GPU. Then, it might be worth considering, but cutting edge on Linux is quite literally the cutting edge. You bleed, sweat and tears for that cutting edge on Linux. When, it just works (or not) on Windows/Apple.

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  • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Wednesday July 24 2019, @01:11AM (3 children)

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Wednesday July 24 2019, @01:11AM (#870554) Homepage Journal

    In the event, you only have a HDD, go with a SSD, it's the single most notable upgrade I've had in a long time.

    I just wanted to confirm this. Even if you only have two gigs of ram, a 20 dollar 120 GB solid state drive is the way to go. SSD are underrated and spinning rust might be ok for backups or media files.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday July 24 2019, @05:53AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Wednesday July 24 2019, @05:53AM (#870597) Journal

      RAM drives are a sneak preview of the future when we're all using universal memory. And relatively small amounts of DRAM [darpa.mil] could be moved closer to the CPU for massive performance gains.

      Actually, looks like there is finally some movement on that [ieee.org], will submit.

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      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:46PM

        by Freeman (732) on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:46PM (#870716) Journal

        I've seen the early RAM drives that used PCI Express, but they were always way too expensive.

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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:48PM

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:48PM (#870717) Journal

      2GB of ram is enough for anybody. Okay, that was sarcasm, but you're likely to notice a more immediate difference switching from HDD to SSD. In reality, it might be better to go for 4GB, instead of 2GB, depending on your use case. I.E. I've seen my wife's browser easily taking up 1.8GB of RAM by itself.

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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday July 24 2019, @01:38PM (3 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 24 2019, @01:38PM (#870648) Journal

    Totally useless, unless you've got a specific use case in mind.

    I've got your use case right here! "Hey boss! I need an additional 64 GB of RAM. Because I'm going to run Java."

    (I suddenly remember I've been writing Java for over a decade now, almost 1/4 of my career)

    you only have a HDD, go with a SSD

    I hear NVMe has less mechanical vibration.

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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:56PM (2 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday July 24 2019, @03:56PM (#870725) Journal

      SSD / NVMe SSD, similar tech, different form factor, just NVMe is stuck in a faster slot. SSD / NVMe SSD, you get the less mechanical vibration either way, due to no moving parts.

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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday July 24 2019, @05:22PM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 24 2019, @05:22PM (#870762) Journal

        I should have included /sarc tags.

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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday July 24 2019, @06:23PM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday July 24 2019, @06:23PM (#870800) Journal

          But electrical circuits really do vibrate mechanically. Collapsing magnetic fields create a mechanical force. For extra durability of your drives, I just happen to have these gold plated, with multicolored LEDs, vibration dampers for SSDs and NVMes for a very reasonable price.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 25 2019, @10:58AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 25 2019, @10:58AM (#870990)

    I like to have several VMs open at the same time. Each is 4GB to 8GB of ram. 8GB each would be nicer.