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posted by martyb on Saturday August 03 2019, @04:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the if-you-can't-fix-it,-break-it dept.

U.S. pulls out of Soviet-era nuclear missile pact with Russia

The United States formally withdrew from a landmark nuclear missile pact with Russia on Friday after determining that Moscow was in violation of the treaty, something the Kremlin has repeatedly denied.

Washington signalled it would pull out of the arms control treaty six months ago unless Moscow stuck to the accord. Russia called the move a ploy to exit a pact the United States wanted to leave anyway in order to develop new missiles.

The 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) was negotiated by then-U.S. President Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

INF treaty.

Also at BBC and NPR.

Previously: President Trump Warns That the U.S. Will Pull out of Nuclear Forces Treaty and Build Up its Arsenal


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  • (Score: 2, Touché) by janrinok on Saturday August 03 2019, @07:37AM (7 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 03 2019, @07:37AM (#875029) Journal

    What a load of rubbish. I'm assuming that you think that this is humour?.

    Defence is nothing to do with Brexit, and the French also have a nuclear arsenal and the ability to deliver it. Your understanding of nuclear warfare is also flawed. The threat is not whether you have more nuclear weapons than your enemy, but whether you can deliver sufficient warheads onto targets such that they make the enemy believe that the costs of a nuclear exchange would far outweigh the perceived gains. In the event of a nuclear strike on Europe, the UK and/or France would be forced to consider retaliation with the nuclear assets that they have available to them. So a small number of low yield nuclear weapons delivered by an enemy would result in a counter strike using potentially much more powerful nuclear weapons.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @08:32AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @08:32AM (#875038)

    To be fair, it does look like humour.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @08:47AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @08:47AM (#875041)

      British nuclear forces also appear to be an attempt a humour, much like James Bond is compensation for the sun setting on the British Empire. But at least they have Nukes! More often than not, American Nukes, but Nukes nonetheless! Ah, blimey, to be a bloke on the brimey back in the day of the Pox Britannica! And French Nukes? Tested in Tahiti? Mere tropical bon-bons, I assure you.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by ElizabethGreene on Saturday August 03 2019, @04:00PM (1 child)

        by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 03 2019, @04:00PM (#875174) Journal

        The kingdom paid a very high price [wikipedia.org] for her nuclear arsenal. I would not trivialize it.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 04 2019, @06:20AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 04 2019, @06:20AM (#875410)

          Should have purchased from the Americans. They would have been happy to sell.
          They love selling out.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @08:52AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @08:52AM (#875045)
      Our senses of humour obviously differ but, if it made you smile, I will retire from the discussion.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 04 2019, @06:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 04 2019, @06:12AM (#875407)

        My sense of humor was surgically extracted at a young age. While not a sociopath or psychopath my understanding of the world is far different from most. Bear with me.

  • (Score: 2) by legont on Sunday August 04 2019, @04:09AM

    by legont (4179) on Sunday August 04 2019, @04:09AM (#875376)

    Even before the WWI it was clearly understood "that the costs of a nuclear exchange war would far outweigh the perceived gains".
    A very good economist wrote a 1000 pages book about it beaten the dead horse to the pulp.

    https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Relation-Military-National-Advantage/dp/161203652X/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=CjwKCAjw4ZTqBRBZEiwAHHxpfozBPqYjBrJHQnSn3xDa5gXaxvP50uEYuuq5JqesGJwxX6hEQMCuSBoCreAQAvD_BwE&hvadid=241906565694&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9003587&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=3017417085841332014&hvtargid=kwd-179905084120&hydadcr=22596_10348340&keywords=the+great+illusion+by+norman+angell&qid=1564891519&s=gateway&sr=8-1 [amazon.com]

    Meantime other certain economists were saying that capitalism will always bring wars no matter the costs.

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    "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.