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[Seconding-Ed note: This story is likely to be contentious. In the interests of helping set the tone, I would like to start off by quoting H.L. Mencken:
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
Further, this quote which has appeared in various phrasings and attributions:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
To mind's eye, I must be willing to accept against my own words and actions any that I would wish to see imposed upon another. --martyb]
YouTube Restores Far-Right Channels After Appeal
Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:
The channels of two prominent far-right YouTubers have been re-instated after the video-sharing site said it made a mistake in removing them. Initially, YouTube gave no reason for changing its decision and just said it had made a "wrong call". Later, it said that while many people found the channels "deeply offensive", they had not broken its rules. The decision came days after YouTube's chief executive said YouTube had to be open to hosting "controversial" ideas.
YouTube removed several channels and accounts this week, claiming they had broken its hate speech policies. Among them was a channel run by white nationalist Martin Sellner and an anonymous British YouTuber known as The Iconoclast. Mr Sellner was reportedly in contact with the man who allegedly carried out the Christchurch mosque shootings in March this year that killed 51 people. Austrian police are investigating his links to the attack. He denies any involvement in the shooting.
Both men protested about the closure of their YouTube channels on social media. They shared information sent to them from YouTube, which said they had "repeatedly" broken its guidelines. On Thursday, YouTube reversed its decision and reinstated the two channels. Several other far-right channels that YouTube banned this week remain unavailable.
An explanation for the change of heart came on Friday. Farshad Shadloo, YouTube's global product policy communications lead, said that after a "thorough review" it had decided that the channels had not broken its rules. "We realise that many may find the viewpoints expressed in these channels deeply offensive," he said. Mr Shadloo added that YouTube had recently updated the way it handled "hateful content".
Earlier this week YouTube boss Susan Wojcicki wrote in a letter to video-makers that YouTube must remain an "open platform". She said the desire to welcome all kinds of views had to be balanced against a "responsibility to protect the community".
"A commitment to openness is not easy. It sometimes means leaving up content that is outside the mainstream, controversial or even offensive," she said. "Hearing a broad range of perspectives ultimately makes us a stronger and more informed society," she claimed.
'I am Talking Directly to You': US Attorney Delivers Powerful Rebuke to White Nationalists
The U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Ohio on Thursday announced new federal charges against a self-avowed white nationalist accused of threatening to commit an attack on a local Jewish community center. James Reardon, who attended the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, was arrested last week after authorities said he posted the threat on Instagram. U.S. Attorney Justin Herdman said Reardon has now been charged with one count of making threats as authorities continue their investigation into Reardon and whether he my have any accomplices.
Of course, not so much that, but what Herdman said after that.
"I am talking directly to you," Herdman said at a news conference announcing the charges. "The Constitution protects your right to speak, your right to think, and your right to believe. If you want to waste the blessings of liberty by going down a path of hatred and failed ideologies, that is your choice."
Herdman continued, evoking the sacrifices made by U.S. service members in World War II against Nazism, as well as those who marched for civil rights throughout U.S. history.
"Thousands and thousands of young Americans already voted with their lives to ensure that this same message of intolerance, death, and destruction would not prevail - you can count their ballots by visiting any American cemetery in North Africa, Italy, France, or Belgium and tallying the white headstones," Herdman said. "You can also recite the many names of civil rights advocates who bled and died in opposing supporters of those same ideologies of hatred. Their voices may be distant, but they can still be heard."
"The Constitution may give you a voice, but it doesn't guarantee you a receptive audience," Herdman added.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @06:42PM (185 children)
White Nationalism is the radical notion that whites have human rights too
That we have a right to nationality
That we have a right to our culture and its promotion
That we have a right to self-determination
That we have a right to property alone as well as in association with other whites
That we have a right to our own community without external interference
That we, as individuals, must dedicate ourselves to our community, its survival, sustenance and promotion.
That we must build this national community in the community of nations on Earth with equal standing to every other nation.
That we reject obligations towards others that aren't afforded to us as a group.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday August 30 2019, @06:47PM (4 children)
Shut the fuck up, you fucking Nazi. We are all Beaners, Niggers, Chinks. What we want here is equality and total freedom of speech. And the Jews in power everyfuckingwhere don't want us to have that benefit.
You'd think that the Jews want to be fair, but thousands of years of history dictate that they haven't yet learned their lesson.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @06:51PM
You haters gonna hate!
(Score: 3, Touché) by exaeta on Friday August 30 2019, @07:30PM (2 children)
The Government is a Bird
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @07:57PM (1 child)
1. A media nazi is something bad. Jews own media and can call anything bad (they don't have to justify anything). It needs not have any relation to actual facts.
2. A media nazi is a racist something (without ever defining it), worthy of shame and hate and the target of anger (without ever knowing why).
3. No truth ever comes out of the media about the jew.
4. A real Nazi is not racist and has nothing to do with it.
5. A real jew remains a racist scum no matter what year it is. It (the jew) thinks of other races as animals. They wrote "The protocols of the Elders of Zion" and deny having done so but when you read "the protocols", you know it is real.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:42PM
They're all still not as bad as the Church of Scientology. I'd rather be molested by a Hare Krishna than listen to a snowflake from CoS.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @06:54PM (40 children)
There. FTFY.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @06:58PM
"There FTFY"
You really didn't.
Bigot, hater.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Bot on Friday August 30 2019, @07:00PM
You can play that game with all others. Why stop at episode one? Ok granted the game is more difficult with the reds because
We will have freedom when the last no Le is strangled with the entrails of the last priest
resolves exactly to itself...
Account abandoned.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Alfred on Friday August 30 2019, @08:32PM (6 children)
A white person may want to extol the virtues, talent, and achievements of Bach, Mozart, Galileo, Newton, Columbus, Michelangelo, Leonardo, Feynman, and Tyndall. When you can accept that that they did contribute to the culture of the world and that it isn't racism to point it out, then we can talk.
White Supremacists are like Black Panthers. BPs want to kill white babies. WSs want to kill black babies Your FTFY seems to be projecting your BP/WS stance onto White Nationalists. What you are looking for are White Supremacists. I'm sure you think they are one in the same. They are not. If you become so full of hate or violent because I think a white musician is the best then the average IQ of the world will go up when you leave it.
If a discussion starts with people accepting actual facts, like most people are nice people and don't really care about race, then the race thing will go away. Unfortunately there are too many who cash in on the keep-racism-alive economy.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @09:27PM (5 children)
Ahead of differences, yes there are white haters and black haters and non-haters on both sides. (Plus it's bigger than just black and white, literally and figuratively).
I started to write a reply mimicing your style in a tit-for-tat fashion.
Before I finished it I realized that this was being unnecessarily hostile and mimicking isn't the best way to share my mind. But here's where I'd differ with what you wrote:
Racism isn't only about hate. Racism is just as much about ideas which propagate notions that things are all better now and people of color are perfectly equal to whites. Such notions are very insidious. They are false. They are about other issues which aren't overtly hateful as well.
The world of European civilization from about the mid 1400s had ongoing slavery involved in it. Slavery between Africa and Europe predated Columbus' discovery. The contributions of the people you mention occurred in that world and their discoveries were supported by it. Some, like Columbus, directly supported it since he involuntarily took six persons into servanthood on his first day in the "New World." That is just for openers, he also facilitated other 'servants' transported from Hispaniola to the Old World. I would be especially careful using him as an example.
If looking historically, there is a big difference between Black Panthers who wanted to make sure white people don't lynch black people and monitor and observe police brutality of persons of color. Whites actively lynched blacks long before blacks started actively defending themselves and demanding separations and White Segregation long preceded that of blacks and for different reasons. White Supremacists want to see blacks who don't hold their places subservient to whites lynched. These are big differences.
If you think people will become hateful or violent because of your choice of musicians then that pretty much shows the phantoms you are afraid of. Unless you were thinking of something specific and citable.
A lot of really nice people accept racist ideas without a second thought as just being the way the world works, and can hold racist ideas while still acting nice.
White people, generally, have no history of organized oppression or slavery for which they need to recover their pride from.
And none of this is written to make you incendiary or defensive. Just to try and widen perspective a little bit that maybe communication divides are more than just one way.
I'm not particularly interested in opening a dialog about this. The odds of it changing anything are low. I think posting this SN story in this way was ill advised and that the fact of the change of YouTube's attitude might be discussed independent of the right-vs-left white-vs-color howling that is likely being engineered by outside sources to sow discord. So I wouldn't expect a reply from me to this even if you do reply. But who knows (and who can tell with AC posting....)
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:35AM (2 children)
Not from people of other skin colors, but between different European-origin nationalities/ethnic groups, there definitely has been a history of organized oppression both in the US and Europe, just not within the past 70 or so years for the US or Western Europe. (The parts of Europe that were part of the USSR had it, but that's another story.)
Slavery between different Euro-ethnic groups also took place in Europe until around the same time that slavery in general ended. The slavery situation in Africa was similarly pre-existing between different groups before they started selling each other to Europeans. (For that matter, I'd be surprised if there's any ethnic groups on Earth that didn't engage in slavery at some point within the last five hundred years.)
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:52AM
But, you fucking racist fucking fucker, who deserves to be fucked, slavery in the ancient world was never, I repeat, NEVER, based on race, or skin color, or any fucking thing other than that you were a fucking slave because you could not fucking read an write, and you lost a war. In nice wars, they killed all the military age males, so you might have the honor to become a fuck slave, female or young boy. So, don't lose wars, or your ass is at risk, libertariantard!
It is not until American Slavery that we have a Race based Slavery system. Fuching racists. Makes it easier to identify runaways, like Runaway1856, even if they are Free blacks. We could snatch them and sell them on the presumption that they were slaves, much like how now the Fucking Trumpt Racist Adminstration can apprehend peope who look Hispanic, on the grounds they might be illegal immigrants,
Now, if only we had a system, that would, for example, target any caucasian male opening carrying a weapon of mass destruction, and immediately lock that crazy fucker up, for being a crazy white man with a gun. That is what I want. White lives with guns, don't matter, and are a threat to the rest of us. Lock them up, and Send them back!
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:16PM
Also the muslin had a lot of white people of european origin as slaves, and the number surpass by a wide margin the black slaves thar the white had.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:19AM
"White people, generally, have no history of organized oppression or slavery for which they need to recover their pride from."
Really? Have you looked at the history of Europe? We did a bang-up job of oppressing and enslaving one another, starting with the earliest thralls and serfs, and culminating with the Soviet Union. Maybe not up to the standards of some other folks, but we did our best.
We also eliminated slavery and oppression sooner and more thoroughly than anyone else... so thoroughly that it's apparently been erased from the history books.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @04:56PM
you're a stupid brainwashed idiot. the historical "facts" you listed are bullshit. your simplistic interpretations are hilarious.
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Friday August 30 2019, @11:44PM (13 children)
Love that projection. And notice how you can read all sort of vile shit into utterly unobjectional text. Yet the Allah Ackbar types scream "Death to the infidel! Behead those who insult Islam! Death to America!" and you guys just say they are misunderstood, that Islam is a religion of peace, etc. And you don't expect anyone to notice the inconsistency. You expected us to stay asleep. You guessed wrong.
The Muslims have their "profession of faith", you say it and you are a Muslim, stray and you are an apostate and they have a duty to slay you.
The "White Nationalists" have something similar, the infamous "14 words." You hear that and you just know it is gonna be totally metal, ya know stuff about blood and iron, Hitler, skulls or some similar really dank shit. Not so much in reality. "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." Yup, that was it, hope you were ready because didn't spoiler that hate speech. Replace the word White with any other word and it is utterly uncontroversial. Challenge time. Call out another word one could put into that sentence that would be objectionable.
So prove me wrong. Double dog dare ya haters.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:50AM (10 children)
Ooooh, oooh, I know this one, pick me!
For a start, define "white." About a century ago, no one who was "white" would have considered polacks, guineas, krauts, or paddies--pardon me, Poles, Italians, Germans, or Irish--"white." It's odd how that changed suddenly. Lord knows what they'd have thought about the Russians.
Second: what does it mean to "secure the existence" of "our people?" I'm white and I don't feel at all threatened by other ethnic groups. In fact, having grown up in NYC and lived there the first 27 years of my life, I find majority-white areas and settings somewhat unsettling. There's a constant sense of "man, someone's been putting in serious overtime at the cracker factory..." in them. East Asian people look "normal" to me, having come from Flushing in the boro of Queens.
Third: Why do you think everyone opposed to white nationalism is fine and dandy with Islam? I'm sure as hell not. The Abrahamic religions are probably the worst ideas the human race has ever come up with, and their disappearance would do wonders for a planetwide enlightenment. Notice, though, that my problem is with the religions, not the followers. I feel the same about Judaism and Christianity as I do Islam and for the same reason. I would love to see them disappear, but not the people who follow them, for the same reason a doctor fights infectious disease, not the victims of same.
Fourth: White folks *already won* here in the US. As has been pointed out at least once upthread, this nation was founded on genocide and slavery of other non-white groups. We are not an oppressed minority. We are not alienated in ways ranging from simple cultural anomie to permanent underclass status (see: Indian reservations, for example). At no point from the founding of the nation to the present have white people en masse (again, see the above about non-WASPs...) been untermenschen.
Why do you even try this? Do you think anyone besides the people who are already loonie-bird insane are going to be convinced by your glassy-eyed drooling whining bullshit?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by jmorris on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:33AM (6 children)
You are kinda making my point, in that you steadfastly refuse to accept the challenge. The rest are the ravings of a dead ender.
It is remarkable, I do it all the time, ask a direct question that by the accepted dogma would be a simple pitch right over the plate... but nobody ever takes a swing.
Examine your premises people, most of them are questionable. So question them, then join us on the Dark Side. No we do not have cookies, only more uncomfortable Truths that will only mad you disillusioned and sad. But if you pretty illusions can be destroyed with the Truth, they should be destroyed. Only when we have a critical mass of people seeing clearly will it become possible to find an answer.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:40AM (5 children)
You didn't even read that, did you? Ye gods, if you actually think you're some kind of stalwart defender of truth and justice, you are far beyond my reach to save any longer. How sad. You could have been so many things, and you became *this...*
Get a clue. You're not cool. You're not edgy. You're not new. You're not an original thinker. You're also not correct, not historically or genetically or culturally. And, I notice, you can't actually rebut any of the points I made or answer any of my questions. All you have is the weirdly r-type sounding "dead ender."
Do you really think the only purpose of human existence is to fuck and breed? How pathetic.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:39AM (4 children)
His challenge was:
Easy answer. "Caucasian."
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:55AM (1 child)
Well played, Anon.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:08AM
But jmorris is not white, he is a "morris", a fucking Celt, of inferior intellect, but amazing dancing skills in the Morris Dance! Or, he is just poser in Louisiana, who has nothing going for him other than at least he is not Black, or Vietnamese, or Cajun. Fuching Anglo Louisianaians~! I recommend a movie, it is called Belisaire the Cajun [wikipedia.org], and it explains what assholes people like jmorris can be in their own "homeland".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:20AM (1 child)
Germanic also works.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:25AM
Yeah, saying that makes ya liberally Hitler. But it should be utterly uncontroversial as well. That is how messed up our current world is.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Sally_G on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:33AM (2 children)
You've not forgotten that the Aztec pyramids hosted human sacrifices to the sun god? They would be easy to forget if they sacrificed a virgin or two at the solstices and equinoxes. But, that wasn't the case. Hundreds, even thousands, of victims in a single day, day after day.
Hate on Abraham, but remember that there are worse ideas.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:22AM
And SallyG is one of those worse ideas!
You know, the saddle on the sex partner may not be tending to mutual satisfaction, especially when the partner is an actual horse. Just saying.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:08PM
None of the Aztec gods damned unbelievers to spend eternity in torment. I'd definitely say the Central American religions were maladaptive and outright evil, but in terms of dogma they were, quite literally, *infinitely* less evil than the Abrahamic religions. There is a difference. And if you think the Abrahamic faiths didn't have mass human sacrifice...well, you need to open a history book. They called it by different names, like Crusade or "manifest destiny" or the Inquisition(s), that's all.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:09AM (1 child)
Wow, which guys say that, and how numerous are they? Cite your sources.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by jmorris on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:45AM
Pretty much the entire mainstream political spectrum, from The Squad to President George W. Bush. Google is your friend if you want thousands of citations about the "Religion of Peace" nonsense. Google will still service those requests. And pretty much the same unanimity of opinion exists in the mainstream about any white person who says the word "Nationalist" is a "White Nationalist" and thus is a Nazi, regardless of what they actually say. Which is why I'm challenging the premise.
And note well, like our resident lunatic above, you too refused to answer what is supposed to be a simple question. Instead you invent a new question, one that does have a self evident answer, which I quickly supply only to shut down this second attempt a Distract, Disinfo, Disqualify, Deflect, Deescalate operation. I lave learned well to predict when this pattern will appear, I state openly that it will in fact appear and yet it still always happens. The original post might get a half dozen replies, but none will touch the question asked. It would require CrimeThink to even fully parse. Dare to commit CrimeThink.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:26AM (9 children)
I note that every single one of these 'fixes for you' is typical leftist projection. Not to mention conflating nationalist with supremacist.
If white nationalists (and remember that nationalism was the norm in =every= country until about 20 years ago, and still is everywhere that's not white) really operated by all the crap you just affixed to those perfectly reasonable statements -- there'd be no one left BUT whites. Because come to it, we're WAY better at killing than all the rest of humanity combined. But instead we feed and medicate most of Africa, and employ half of China with our commerce. If we want 'em all dead, we're doin' it wrong.
And consider how you'd have reacted were the OP's remarks in support of black nationalism, or Mexican nationalism, or any damn kind except white nationalism. Woulda been all cheers and Insightfuls.
But somehow Africa is for Africans, Asia is for Asians, but Europe and America are for everybody, and only we do not deserve a home of our own, a culture of our own, and a future.
And unlike you puling cowards, I'll put my name on this. Because I'm not ashamed to be white.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:14PM (4 children)
Original AC here. There is no "White" race. Nor is there a "Caucasian" race. Not even Asian or Black "races."
There is only on sentient "race" (species) on this planet. It's called Homo Sapiens. What's more, the genetic differences between those with more melanin content and those with less melanin content in their skin are significantly less than the genetic differences found between those with similar melanin content in their skin.
Even more, we *all* share ~99% of our DNA with chimps and bonobos. [sciencemag.org] As such, using melanin content (skin color) to define groups of humans is not only dumb, it makes no scientific sense and shows a lack of knowledge, education and/or intellectual capacity.
Humans are humans, and as we say in America, "All men are created equal."
That's not to say that there aren't unpleasant, nasty, evil and stupid people. They are *everywhere*. And they are of all ethnicities, melanin content, geographical locations and nationalities.
There is no "white" race. There is just the human race. And each *individual* should be evaluated by their actions and words. Judging people based on melanin content, ethnicity or national origin is naive and simple-minded in the extreme.
As for my additions to the moronic statements made by some ignoramous, those are, in my experience, the attitudes held by those who espouse such ridiculous ideas.
Don't like my assessment? Make a better one. What's that? You'd rather not think, and instead prefer to espouse intellectually bankrupt tropes fed to you by those who hate and do not respect themselves (if they didn't, they wouldn't be hating on, or disrespecting others). Fair enough. But you're scientifically, intellectually and ethically way off base.
I pity you.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday September 01 2019, @01:51AM (1 child)
So do you also believe there are no different breeds of dog, and that all dogs are perfectly equal?
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:38PM
There is no "white" race. There is just the human race. And each *individual* should be evaluated by their actions and words. Judging people based on melanin content, ethnicity or national origin is naive and simple-minded in the extreme.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:01PM (1 child)
way to regurgitate the lies you've been taught in goy school. the percent of the dna is irrelevant propaganda. minor changes make big differences in outcome.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:26PM
Quite. Look at how inbreeding has made you stupid. Good show.
(Score: 2) by dry on Sunday September 01 2019, @04:39AM (3 children)
America is for Americans. Originally Americans were red skinned, now they're all different shades, a mongrel country full of settlers.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday September 01 2019, @06:08AM
And let that be a lesson to ya.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:05PM (1 child)
you don't know that the mongoloids were the first in America. That's just what the controllers want you to believe b/c it fits their propaganda. There were probably Aryans here before the mongoloids came and bred them out or killed them in war. Or they just came after a calamity had killed all the Ancient American Aryans.
(Score: 3, Touché) by dry on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:15PM
I really doubt that the Iranians were first in the America's. Besides, I thought the white nationalists hate the Iranians as well
(Score: 2) by EEMac on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:19PM (1 child)
> There. FTFY.
You're the one that added all the hate to that comment. It wasn't in the original. IT WAS YOU.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:21PM
Are you really going to be that disingenuous? Go for it. I refer you to my previous post [soylentnews.org]. Enjoy!
Oh, and I pity you too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:25PM (3 children)
oh yeah, all white people who don't want to be destroyed are radical, hate filled monsters. found the public school "educated", tv watcher!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @07:06AM (2 children)
AC you replied to here. Who said that? Not me.
Although I'm curious, what do you mean by "destroyed?"
What is this "destruction" of which you speak? I'm of European ancestry and have minimal melanin content. I'm not being "destroyed." Or even threatened. In fact, I've got it pretty good. I don't get harassed/targeted/shot by police. I don't get gunned down in my church because folks don't like the melanin content in my skin.
So what the fuck are you blathering on about? Poor bastard. I pity you.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:09PM (1 child)
and people in the founders days never thought they had to codify that the US was for whites. They assumed whites would keep their shit together and not be invaded by international subversives. now look at it. In a few decades whites will be the minority and a few after that persecuted. are you so short sighted you can't see that i'm talking about the long term future of the race and not right this second? pity yourself you stupid fucking euro nigger.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:33PM
I'm worried about the human race too. In large part because narrow-minded, hate-filled jerks like you generally embrace violence against "the other."
"euro nigger?" That's odd. I've never heard that term before. It's also inaccurate, as I was born in the US and have lived here my whole life.
And since you are likely of European extraction as well (unless you're an Aryan [wikipedia.org], in which case you're of Persian/Iranian extraction), you likely fit into the same category as I do.
You go, girl!
(Score: 2) by Chocolate on Sunday September 01 2019, @10:54PM
If the topic of this post was not announced one may think it is describing islam.
Bit-choco-coin anyone?
(Score: 2, Troll) by Bot on Friday August 30 2019, @06:57PM
Unfortunately neither wn not lefties have the antibodies to protect them for exploitation by the plutocrats. Which actually founded the left and the right. Now lefties are no communist and you are no fascist but it's easy to leverage the innate but myopic sense of Justice to make you perpetuate injustice. So while your ideals are commendable, as long as all other races have them, and they are better than the rainbow and unicorns paradise of the lefties, the one government that makes all trouble go away in exchange for becoming a drone, I suggest to concentrate on more mundane aspects of organization. Why for example you depend on jewtube for anything.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday August 30 2019, @07:01PM (7 children)
Even though this type of WN is in practice in isolated pockets of the United States, it is a counter-culture, at odds with the Constitution and basic principles of the nation. Y'all tried secession once, maybe it's time to just pack up and move to Australia, set yerselfs up in a commune or somethin'.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @07:06PM (3 children)
That's pretty funny. The supreme court has decided time and again against your viewpoint.
Really, it doesn't change anything. These are our rights, we're justified in pursuing them and any attempts at hindering their practice is genocide.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Friday August 30 2019, @07:51PM (2 children)
If y'all kint keep yer women from breedin' with the darkies, that's not genocide, that's just inadequate performance on the part of yer men.
As for the Supreme Court - I'm pretty sure after that woman refused to give up her seat on the bus, it's been pretty much downhill for WNs ever since.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @08:11PM (1 child)
Downhill? Really? All I've been hearing online and on the news for the past three years is how we elected one to the most powerful office in the world.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday August 30 2019, @09:30PM
Argument by ignorance...? how many WN favorable decisions have come out of the Supreme Court since the Trumpinator was born (~1950)?
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @07:34PM
You should check out the comments on Ars. They have stage 5 TDS there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:33PM (1 child)
"all men are created equal" meant "white men", not "human males". that's why people had to add stuff later. if you think the first US civil war was about the goodly people of the north fighting the haters in the south, you are too brainwashed to talk to.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:48PM
What a load of rubbish. If I had any mod points left I would mod you as flamebait. All men are created equal does not only apply to the USA.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by janrinok on Friday August 30 2019, @07:06PM (44 children)
Interesting - where is this right declared or enshrined? Nobody else has the right to choose their neighbours, but you seem to think that you should have such a right. I suppose the nearest we get to this would be a gated-community and as I have never lived anywhere near such a thing I have no idea how those that live there get approval to do so.
Another 'interesting' right that you claim, because in everything that you do you seem to deny others the same right. You see, all people have the right to their American, French, British or whatever nationality, a right to their culture. Can you see where this is going? You cannot simply impose your desires on an existing country without the whole of that country - even those you don't believe should be there but having the appropriate nationality - having a say in the end result. This is called democracy - I see that you left that bit out of your list of 'rights', particularly with regards to others.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @07:15PM
" You cannot simply impose your desires on an existing country without the whole of that country - even those you don't believe should be there but having the appropriate nationality - having a say in the end result. This is called democracy."
I'd say the same about you, bigot, hater.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:14AM (42 children)
We need more of this sort of thing from you. I hope you see now what I was saying to you a few threads ago, about how we're out of time for neutrality and we either fight this sludge or get buried under it. Welcome to the team, Jan!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:41AM (41 children)
I haven't joined any team. My views haven't changed from what they have been for far longer than you have been alive. I live in Europe and being ex-military I regularly lay tributes at the rows of white tombstones for those who died fighting tyranny. Every town and village in my area celebrates the day they were liberated by US, Canadian, British and other allied forces. But I express my views when I wish to - not when someone else believes I should do so to support them. If you go "a couple of threads back" and re-read them, you will see that I was arguing for everyone having a right to express themselves, which is precisely the topic of this discussion. Facing different and maybe unpalatable points of view is important,
I have a simple response - which you read at the start of this discussion:
Suppressing the views of those with whom you disagree is not 'freedom of speech' or freedom of anything. You have been advocating that we stop those with whom you disagree from posting comments - I am advocating that we argue with them and prove that, as the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Ohio said, they will not receive a receptive hearing from those here who disagree with them. But they still have a right to express their opinions under the US Constitution, however much you may wish it otherwise.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:35AM (25 children)
Thank you for your service. Perhaps you'll offer those words from me when next you visit those graves.
But as to your previous argument -- this isn't about imposing white will on the rest of the country. It's about being left alone in our *already-established* communities, without having incompatible foreigners thrust upon us -- whom no one bothered to ask whether that's what our communities wanted.
But if Minnesotans descended en masse and uninvited on Cairo and made life hell for the established Egyptian community -- that would be terrible, right? so why is it considered right and good when it's the other way around?
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:25AM (24 children)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:57PM (23 children)
True, the people who are thrusting them upon us should swing from lampposts, and when eventually the backlash reaches that point, they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
The so-called religion (actually a political system with enough hellfire pasted on top to keep the peons in line) of the outsiders most in question, has as one of its core tenets that unbelievers must convert or die, and does everything in its power to discommode unbelievers until it gains enough power to enforce one or the other (and historically, has done so without fail; and the tipping point is at only 5% of the population). And once 'converted' (by will or force) the prescribed penalty for apostasy is death. That is imposing upon others *as a feature* of their own 'freely practicing', violating others' right of freedom FROM religion.
The other problem is that as one of the Founders [John Adams] put it, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." It does not and cannot serve to govern people whose entrenched system of culture and belief is contrary to its aims; indeed, by allowing the continued practice of their incompatible culture and belief, it enables them as slow-motion conquerors.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:47PM (18 children)
Perhaps things are very different where you are. There are large Muslim communities in both the UK, my birth country, and France where I reside now. Yes they have brought their culture, dress and traditions but, with the exception of a few incidents, they have not enforced their religion upon anyone else. There are those radicals that do hit the media headlines but that also applies to others. We have killings that are drug related or are by fringe groups (non-Muslim) etc. By far the majority of Muslims that I meet are normal in every sense of the word. I am not Muslim but I have been welcomed as a friend, have dined with them and. in a few instances, we have exchanged gifts on specific occasions. They dress differently and have different customs of course but they are friendly and do not push their religion on to me. I have certainly never been treated in any way that made me feel uncomfortable in their presence.
I have had similar friendly relationships with Sikhs, Christians of many persuasions, Hindus and others. As long as I respect their customs in their homes, and they respect our customs in my home, there has never been a problem.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:18PM (10 children)
...yet.
Mark my words.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:30PM (9 children)
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:41PM (8 children)
It may be harder to see the changes when you're the frog being boiled. Whereas from where I sit, it looks like Europe is in the early stages of WW3. It may take another 50 or even 100 years to heat up to a shooting war, but sadly I think it's already too late to stop it.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:13PM (7 children)
I'll be long gone before then - and I don't share your pessimism. The next war will, on current events, be as a result of US action somewhere. I suppose they might insist on buying Greenland and send troops to Denmark to make it happen - but I suspect not.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:31AM (6 children)
As a side note, I'd call Denmark's "insulting" response not a plain no, but an opening sally, hoping to jack up the price by playing hard to get. We'd hardly go to war over Greenland, but neither would it be our first purchase of someone else's white elephant.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday September 02 2019, @06:39AM (5 children)
I believe that you will find that Denmark's 'no' is a NO! Does Trump really think that sovereign nations should be bought and sold?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:49PM (4 children)
This has nothing to do with buying or selling a sovereign nation. Rather, it was -- you've got this white elephant territory that's remote from you and costs you a fortune, but it's close to us and we think we could profitably use it. If you ever want to sell, we'll buy it.
And a normal response for something that's absolutely not for sale, is simply "Sorry, not for sale." A negotiator's response is "What a stupid idea!" which is exactly what Denmark did. And then the offering party nods agreement and waits for the owner to make the next move, which is exactly what Trump did. Nothing may come of it, because Denmark isn't yet that financially strapped, but eventually everyone turns loose of the money-sink parts of their aged-out empires. So it's not a bad idea to bring it up once in a while, just to remind 'em that in the event, we're interested (and that we can outbid everyone else).
And it's a safe bet that if the U.S. doesn't buy Greenland, eventually China will find a way to acquire it, and I don't think any of us want that on our doorstep. And it wouldn't be a bad investment for any large nation; lots of coal and oil and a huge reserve of fresh water.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday September 02 2019, @02:37PM (3 children)
This is entire speculation without anything to support it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @04:16PM (2 children)
Not really. Look at what China has been doing in Africa, and their "new Silk Road" initiative, and how they've been 'acquiring' part of the South China Sea.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/china-new-silk-road-explainer/ [weforum.org]
http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/2015-03/30/content_19950951.htm [chinadaily.com.cn]
Sounds great until you look more closely: China's policy is basically to lend shitloads of money, then when the receiving country can't repay the loan, China takes possession of the asset, which was the real goal all along.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday September 02 2019, @04:58PM (1 child)
You sound a little paranoid about what the rest of the world is up to. Just my opinion. First you feel as if the Muslims are invading wherever it is you live, now you think that China is going to buy countries in Europe.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @08:16PM
Ha, no, just paying attention, and noticing trends.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:45PM (6 children)
A few incidents here and there? You're full of shit or blind as hell. You're a Dhimmi and you sing your masters' praises. Typical Euroslave.
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:58PM (5 children)
Yes, if you compare it to the murder rate in most places, the number of people killed as a result of Muslim hatred is small. They are spectacular and get a disproportionate amount of cover in the media, but that doesn't mean they are as prevalent as you might imagine.
For the USA the worst death toll in a single year from Muslim extremists was just less than 3000 and that was 9/11. In the same year there were 15980 murders in the USA. Source: https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/pressrel/press-releases/crime-in-the-united-states-2001-1 [fbi.gov]. However, the death toll for every year since 2001 due to Muslim extremists is much, much smaller.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:03PM (4 children)
History begs to differ. Death inflicted by Islam even outstrips Communism, quite a feat considering Islam came along when the world was far less populated. (The numbers may be inflated, but are probably proportionally correct.)
https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/ [politicalislam.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wugWj42pLI [youtube.com]
or if you want just the map,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo [youtube.com]
and that doesn't go east of Persia, where there were many more.
and if you want hard data,
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism [ourworldindata.org]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 [thereligionofpeace.com]
Also... there is no "radical" or "extreme" Islam; if you read Holy Quran, you'll find those are merely following it more closely. They who fail to practice one of the four jihads (sword, words, money, migration) will have a tough time getting into Allah's heaven.
Every other religion outgrew its violent expansionist phase, by discarding such tenets. Islam enshrines them as eternal and unchangeable. Unfortunately, even most Muslims have no idea what's in there. Muslims who honestly (without taqiyya) befriend kaffir are actually sinning against Islam.
Further, when did you last see Muslims take down or turn in their own 'extremists' ?? It doesn't happen. The grass hides the snake, whether willingly or from fear of being next bitten.
And so do the rest of us, now that we're all more terrified of being tarred as Islamophobes than of being killed.
And the saddest part? Islam is not only a threat to the West, it oppresses a billion Muslims. Absent Islam, what could they be? Iran before the Shah's fall was perhaps a good example; a thoroughly modern country.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:17PM (3 children)
We will have to agree to disagree. If you get your political analysis from youtube I am content to see my life out in comparative ignorance. I strongly suspect that the other sites all have a bias to them but as it time for my bed, they will have to wait until another time. Thanks for the convo though.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday September 01 2019, @01:58AM (2 children)
The links I provided are not analysis. They are cold hard facts. These in fact are what started to change my mind -- I used to believe much as you.
You may also want to read this:
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CSP-Explanatory-Memorandum.pdf [centerforsecuritypolicy.org]
It's a document found by the FBI during a raid, that lays out the Muslim Brotherhood's plan for America.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by quietus on Sunday September 01 2019, @04:35AM (1 child)
Instead of sitting in front of a computer screen, why don't you go to one of those Islamic countries, tell everybody who wants to hear you're a devout Christian or Satanist, and see what happens?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:09AM
Yeah, that'd go over well...
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:02PM (1 child)
In the US, our biggest problem is with batshit insane Christian authoritarians. Islam is a big problem elsewhere, but not so much here. They try (and sometimes succeed) to violate the Constitution by getting prayer in schools, having their god on the money, forcing children to say the pledge and adding their religion to it, trying to get the government to regulate art. etc. Even more awful than that is their relentless assault on abortion rights, birth control, and their general bigotry against anyone who doesn't conform to their stupid gender roles or religion. So much for individuality. Many lives have been ruined by Christian extremism.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 01 2019, @07:25AM
We keep hearing that claim. In reality, the batshit insane Christian crazies are muzzled today, and have been muzzled for decades. Have you noticed the legalization of marijuana in several states? Maybe you've missed that some blue laws are being repealed, and/or overturned in various jurisdictions. The very fact that you are perfectly free to badmouth those batshit insane Christian crazies publicly is testament to their lack of power and influence.
There is no comparing your pretend boogeyman to Chop-chop square, where Muslim clerics chop heads off of victims, while forcing hordes of fellow Muslims to witness the events.
When, exactly, was the last public beheading in the United States carried out under the auspices of any Christian church?
TL:DR, you're so full of shit, you can taste the shit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @09:43PM (1 child)
You see kids, the White Nationalists aren't advocating violence. It is the non-white groups that are the violent ones.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:11AM
Way to take it out of context, you puling coward.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:15PM (14 children)
I am very rapidly running out of patience with trying to explain this concept to you, Janrinok.
Listen: we are being crapflooded by people who are using the *appearance* of civil discourse and rational discussion to push a genocidal agenda. Do you understand this? If you do not, keep re-reading that sentence until you do. One of the things this means is that attempting to engage with them and defeat them through force of logic and moral superiority doesn't work. Why doesn't it work? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FUCKING HERE TO DEBATE.
Get it now? They are *laughing at you* and every single other person who comes into this as if they're posting in good faith and can be swayed by logic, reason, or basic human decency. They think it's hilarious, especially because they love the idea of being uninhibited and rebellious and cocky and edgy while decent people constrain *themselves* to norms of civility and discourse. In their minds, the fact that people like you and I act this way is only further proof that we are unworthy of existence, do you understand this?
You are not just a commenter. You are part of this site's staff. You and the other editors and the admins are going to have to make existential decisions about what you want this site to be and how you want it to run, going forward, and you're going to have to make them soon.
So far, you have vastly disappointed me, mostly because you've played right into their hands (see the above explanation). I expected better from you. You're not stupid, so why do you still think taking the high road is going to get you anywhere with these people? Open your eyes to what's happening before this place becomes a target for the Feds due to domestic terrorism, damn it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 01 2019, @01:26PM
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:53PM (12 children)
Everything I quoted above is true, Azuma. However, your suggested "solution" is terribly flawed. Blocking anyone's speech (even if you vehemently disagree) is an assault on the liberties of all of us.
As Justice Brandeis (quite correctly) pointed out in Whitney v. California [wikipedia.org]:
Randall Munro [xkcd.com] expanded on this a bit, too.
So. As Janrinok thoughtfully pointed out, use your considerable rhetorical skills to rebut these scumbags. They won't change their minds, but others who don't have a strong grasp on what these folks are all about may be edified.
The marketplace of ideas [wikipedia.org] has shown these hateful jerks to be wrong over and over. And that's not going to change. The tropes they spew are intellectually and ethically bankrupt. Keep making the point. It's worth it.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 01 2019, @10:25PM (11 children)
Why me, all alone? Why do I get zero support, zilch, zip, nada, nothing, from the editorial staff? Why are they content to sit by and feign pseudo-enlightened neutrality and let me do the dirty work, the dirty work that DOESN'T FUCKING WORK ON THE ONES IT NEEDS TO WORK ON in the first place? We don't HAVE enough people here who are "on the fence" about this stuff that it's worth my time to do this alone.
I'm disgusted to the depths of my soul. There aren't enough good people here in the first place, too few are willing to fight, and aside from a few words of encouragement from you and Acid Andy, I am facing this rising tsunami of sludge completely alone. This is not sustainable.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday September 02 2019, @04:11AM
Because, as you well know, having taken a stab at being an editor yourself, the role of the editors is to provide material for us to discuss. Full stop.
Their role isn't to be the arbiter of right and wrong. Nor is it to provide you (or anyone else) with moral support.
What's more, there were a bunch of people who expressed similar disgust as you have in this topic. So I have no idea why you're complaining.
Free speech is pretty much sacrosanct around here. Which is one of the reasons I've stuck around. Not because I want to hear a bunch of bigoted jerks make nasty, hateful comments about brown people and Jews, that's for sure.
In fact, I'm guessing they get even more shrill when you're around, since they seem to wind you up so easily.
Don't get me wrong, most of your arguments are spot on. But advocating for the site itself to prefer one viewpoint over another? Sorry, I can't and won't support that -- nor will most people here, even the ones who *agree* with your major points.
You might consider not allowing the shitposts, the lies and the gross misrepresentations to bother you. There are assholes here. Then again, as you well know, there are assholes *everywhere*.
As I said in my previous post. Keep doing what you're doing. It does make a difference. Louis Brandeis was right.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by Akemi Homura on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:07AM (9 children)
Like you, I am another lost child in time. The Law of Cycles, hearing your despair and seeing your fight against these Wraiths that kill the soul, has sent me. Others may arrive as well if the need becomes apparent. You are no longer alone.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:13AM (8 children)
What. The. Hell.
Who are you? No, really, who are you? I don't have any meatspace enemies who'd try this. You don't sound like anyone here either. Uzzard and Runaway don't have the imagination to pull this off, Aristarchus doesn't have the self-control, J-Mo and Hallow can't string a single coherent thought together...so who the hell are you? Kurenai?
Look, don't do me any favors, all right? I am more than enough to handle the low-level trolls, and if this site wants to choke on its own shit from the inside, that's the admins' business. I work alone, "Homura."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by Akemi Homura on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:19AM (1 child)
She did warn me to expect this sort of reaction. I understand completely, as I am even less trusting than you are. Nevertheless, I was sent here for a reason and am very much on your side. If you doubt my motives, trust my actions in the near future. You know who and what I am. You know how similar we are. There are others standing by, including another girl so much like you she could almost be you in another probability axis.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:34AM
Oh for the love of little green onions...
Fine, do what you want. I've got an idea of who this "Law of Cycles" is, and my main question for the Law right now is "where the hell were you two years ago?!" Whatever. At least I know I can probably trust you if this is who I think it is.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:34AM (4 children)
This little self play would have been more convincing if you had spaced out the timestamps more.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 03 2019, @01:00AM (3 children)
Aww, I was hoping Uzzard would let you in on it first :) This is all with his sanction, too. We had a very interesting conversation not so long ago, the likes of which I still cannot believe even though I've got screenshots!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 03 2019, @01:17AM (1 child)
I'm intrigued. Did it go down on logged IRC?
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 04 2019, @12:25AM
Yes, with Mr. Corpse Molester specifically saying about half a dozen admins can see this. He also admitted that there's really no good way to solve the troll problem without compromising his principles, but shutting me down if I got too out of hand (I'll try not to...) would fatally compromise his freedom of speech principles, and that this place might actually choke on its own overhead if too many new rules are put into place.
I'd like to think of myself as part of SN's immune system. I'd also like to point out that there is such a thing as an autoimmune disease.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05 2019, @12:06PM
oh, oh well
no need for my gut being right when i can just scroll slightly further and see for myself
carry on then...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05 2019, @12:01PM
not me.... i've been thinking about getting an account again if this sentai needs a 3rd, if anything for the mod points. i'm just not confident yet that i can keep myself under control... been working with a good psychologist, and he believes i have something along the lines of ptsd... has been my theory so i specifically did not mention that to him to see if he reached the same conclusion. have been hesitant in case i get taken over by skynet drm again, or turn into a witch, or whatever it is ptsd does to me when i go bad.
- the idiot formerly known as kurenai.tsubasa
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @08:29PM (80 children)
Let's be very clear. There is no such thing as "white". There are people lacking in skin pigmentation, and it sucks to be them, especially during a sunny summer. But there is no "white" nation. There is no "white" culture. It's like talking about "lefty" culture, or "ginger" culture. There is no "white" property. What are you, a libertariantard? So there is no "white" to protect or promote, there are just random alienated losers who are desperate to compensate for their social and intellectual deficiencies, and so clump together like some kind of conspiracy. To repeat, there is no "white nation", so "white nationalism" is a fiction. A rather stupid fiction.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:26PM (34 children)
By the same token, there's no "black" culture either, unless you want to contend that Nigeria and Zimbabwe and inner-city Chicago are all the same.
(Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @11:10PM (33 children)
Correct. And you should be aware of the difficulties Africans or Blacks from other parts of the world experience if they visit America. African-Americans, however, do have a culture, one that is the product of race-based slavery that kidnapped them and destroyed connection to the cultures they came from, and treated them as all the same. "White" Americans have no such experience, other than that having been the slavers gives them all a common responsibility and guilt of crimes against humanity. That is all the "whiteness" is, and why it is such a nasty thing in the United States. Fly your Rebel flag, racist scum!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:09AM (32 children)
Most whites weren't slave owners or slave traders. Slave traders didn't go into Africa to capture slaves. They bartered for them with goods like alcohol. The slaves captured by rival tribes.
Blaming whites today for slavery will be like blaming the whites of tomorrow for the crimes of the 1% today. Slave labor hurt the average American through wage suppression. It was just their time's version of H1B Indian workers or illegals working under the table.
American whites do have their own culture. You probably see it whenever you look out of your window in your nice neighborhood. Unfortunately that can only be enforced with high property values so the only non-whites who live amongst you are the cream of the crop.
Meanwhile anyone who actually has to interact with people who are different from them have a drastically different experience if they aren't safeguarded by these high property values. Our neighborhoods aren't gated and if we are lucky, there is no public transportation nearby. We see our neighbors stop looking like us and have to deal with culture clashes. Neighbors start keeping external lights on to thwart people of ill intent but now we have to put up black out curtains just to fall asleep from all of the light pollution.
So go on and keep socially signalling about how virtuous you are over the rest of us and how great it'll be when whiteness is defeated. When whites become a minority in their own country the others won't care if you were one of the "good" ones if you look white. You will not be judged favorably because they'll see that you didn't stand up with your own people and worse betrayed your own people. How can they trust you to not betray them with such a track record? How can they be sure you won't throw a quikcrete smoothie in their faces?
If it doesn't bother you that they'll kill you along with us if the fall of whites ever happens, please go get help for your suicidal thoughts.
The bag of silver coins didn't make Judas happy and he committed suicide.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:46AM (19 children)
So tell me, when you go all the way out to whiter-than-a-ghost's-bleached-bedsheets Appalachia and see a sprawl of incest, poverty, and malnutrition, is *that* "white culture" too? :) Juuuuust askin'.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:59AM (18 children)
Incest is more of a Jewish problem that they like to project on people they hate using their media empires. They have inbred so much that their chances of getting mental illness is something like 40 times the normal rates and they have several lovely genetic disorders from it too. To put icing on this mental illness cake, they then circumcise their sons which makes it more likely for mental illness to manifest if they survive the Rabbi's Genital Herpes infested mouth sucking the blood off of the freshly cut baby penis. It is quite the problem in New York City.
The poverty comes from the 1% shipping our jobs overseas and importing low cost labor in order to get even more money that they won't be using beyond investments to get even more money. The malnutrition comes from the 1% deciding to completely screw over Americans in their financial games.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:16AM (17 children)
...uhh...Appalachia is full of Jews? That's the first I'd ever heard of it.
Come on, boy, answer the original question. If you can. I bet you can't. You ran smack into it, fell face-first, and ate shit like Wile E Coyote off the edge of a cliff!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:25AM (14 children)
Appalachia isn't full of jews but the whole "whites are inbred" meme came from Jewish media projecting their own problems on to us to dehumanize whites. Whites might have the occasional second cousin marriage but everyone else often has first cousin marriages.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:50AM (2 children)
Or, "Dueling Banjos" from the movie "Deliverance". And, the ringworm. Great thing about being white trash, at least you're not Jewish. Oh, and you can be really stupid, and support Trump and think he will bring back the coal jobs. But let us not forget the Traditional Workers Party, co-founded by Matt Heimbach, [wikipedia.org] who was bonking his own mother-in-law and wife of his father-in-law and co-founder, in a trailer park, in Indiana. There is a Lacuna in your anti-semitism, XivLacuna! You are empty.
(Score: 1) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:07AM (1 child)
Your proof of southerners commit incest is a Hollywood movie. A work of fiction.
Matthew Heimbach is a piece of shit but his "mother-in-law" was actually the step-mother of his wife and in her thirties if I remember correctly. I am glad he is no longer working hard to make white people look bad.
Since you are bringing up our worst, I would like to remind everyone that Roman Polanski is still a fugitive avoiding his sentence for statutory rape of a 13 year old that he drugged and raped.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:13AM
You miss the point of the movie, and the reality it represented? Squeal like a pig, XivLacuna! You sure have a purty mouth! With a shotgun pointed at your head! Come, now, what were you saying about white homosexual supremacy? Once you go white, well you're probably dead. But that is how the alt-right incels role. Proud, sterile, non-reproductive, boys. Squeal, Lacuna! Sweal again! For Runaway!
(Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:21AM (3 children)
Stop squirming, you little prick. If you want to say the nice middle class places are white culture because they're full of white people, then all the poor broken down places full of white people are also that way because of white culture.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:39AM (2 children)
When liberal types go out and push for bans on industries that were the foundation of many regions of the US all while exporting all of the jobs to other countries, what do you expect to happen? Ban coal, ban metal smelting, ban logging, oh this area is a non-build zone thanks to the protected species act. The only mistake these small town people made was not moving out when the liberals decided to completely destroy their way of life.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:39AM
Wow, look at those goalposts fly!
Still white people, so still "white culture." You could as well say it's their fault for not retraining, using their superior white intellects to reshape the community around them. Or, let me guess, "liberals" in your parlance are somehow not actually white even if they have pale hides, because something something cultural treason? Dumbass
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:09PM
And you think that Republicans aren't voting for awful trade deals that result in many jobs being exported? Trump is inserting provisions from the TPP into the NAFTA renegotiation, which isn't otherwise changed much at all from NAFTA anyway. Republican politicians are the worst corporatists (and therefore job exporters) in the country. Of course, far too many Democrats are also corporatists. Bernie Sanders, however, has a good track record of opposing awful trade deals which export jobs. Surely you'll vote for him, if you care that much about the issue?
If their way of life includes poisoning their air and water, it won't last very long.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:01PM (6 children)
So you are saying that people with white skin cannot follow the Jewish religion? I'll have to go and stand outside numerous synagogues in the UK and tell people that their skin colour has been changed!
You are conflating two separate facts and trying to make a strawman. The colour of your skin does not dictate which religion you many follow. There are white Christians and black Christians. There are white Muslims and black Muslims. The same can be said for any religion if you care to open your eyes and look more closely, rather than simply believe what you have read or been told. They may not be the majority, but they exist.
(Score: 0, Informative) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:39PM (5 children)
Jewish people only consider themselves white when telling white people to act against their own group interests or when they are caught committing a crime. "Fellow white people"
Afterwards they go back to not being white. I am just referring to their default state before any shape shifting happens.
If I was expelled from places 109 times I'd start to wonder if there was something other than irrational hatred motivating people to expel me.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:36PM (4 children)
Citation - and from a reputable source please. You are making the claim, now prove it.
You are confusing the movies with real life. Shape shifting is a science fiction phenomenon.
(Score: 1) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:18PM
I am not sure if these will be good enough sources for you, but enjoy.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/12/what-does-it-mean-to-be-genetically-jewish [theguardian.com]
https://forward.com/opinion/427300/as-a-jew-i-cringed-over-jeffrey-epstein-i-played-into-the-anti-semites/ [forward.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Bhd81QSKQ [youtube.com] "I am not a German, I am a jew"
With the video do not take a shot of any sort of alcohol when you notice stuff meant to emotionally manipulate you. You will end up in the hospital even if you are only drinking a light beer to get your stomach pumped.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:34PM (2 children)
This is something Ben Shapiro does all the time. He considers himself Europen when it comes to encouraging migration and saying its necessary and non-dangerous for them to come into Europe, then considers himself a Jew to call migration into Israel an organized genocide.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 01 2019, @04:18AM
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:48AM
The problem with Shapiro isn't that he wobbles between being Jewish and being European; it's that he has no balls and is a weathercock about everything. Pretty much all someone has to do to get him to swing the other way is to label his current position with some sort of terrible -ism. (Okay, I exaggerate, but that's the impression he's given me, to the point that I've stopped paying attention to him.) I remember when he was against accepting migrants, and that was just four years ago. Then he got called a racist a few times, and magically changed his mind.
https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2015/11/18/draft-n2082108 [townhall.com]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:28PM (1 child)
You realize that incest is not a "white" thing? Back when I was driving truck, one of my black buddies shared a story with me. He got stuck in S. Carolina over a weekend. The town was pretty much all black. Bigger than a one stop light crossroads, I think they had maybe ten stop lights in the whole town. So, black man in an all black town - and he felt uncomfortable, almost scared. Everyone he met looked alike, like cookie cutter gingerbread men and women. I laughed at him, and told him I'd heard similar stories about white people, but never black. The man laughed right back at me, and asked me which sins I thought only white people were guilty of.
Yeah, an entire town filled with inbred black people. Amazing, huh?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:25PM
Did you have a point somewhere? Like, besides on top of your head, Zippy?
No? I didn't think so.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:00AM (11 children)
You seem to be under the misconception that I am "white" and American. Neither is true. And "Race Traitor"? Ha! You pathetic piece of shit, race is not a real thing, and as illustrated above, there is no "white nation" or "white culture". What are you, some American mongrel, part English, part French, part Italian and Irish, and Chippewa, of course? Part slave? Hardly "white", have you done the DNA thing yet? "Whiteness" will not be defeated, it will be destroyed! Completely! There will be no "whites" left! Why? It's like BDS: people who think Israel should not exist are not saying Jews should not exist. At some point in the future, very soon, no one will self-identify as "white", and there will be no more "white people". I hope they pay reparations for slavery and native American genocide before they go, though.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:40AM (4 children)
I was just assuming that someone might confuse you for a white without a profile picture and analysis by an expert. I don't actually keep a book of everyone's race on here. I just assume that anyone hating on whites is either a traitor or white-looking.
The native population was mostly wiped out by African Smallpox brought over by sea turtles and survivors were forced on to reservations because they couldn't overcome their habit of raiding European settlements and literally stealing our women after murdering the men.
Blacks were enslaved by the 1%, not by the 99%. We ended it and freed them. Muhammed Ali went to Africa and came back appreciating that his ancestors were on the slave boats. Flights to Africa aren't expensive and if black people are tired of feeling oppression from white people they can go to Africa and get raped by Chinese businesses instead.
You do seem to hate something that you proclaim doesn't exist.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:11AM (3 children)
You seem to be a crazy person. Sea turtles? Why are "white" people so prone to insanity?
(Score: 1) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:27AM (2 children)
Yeah there is this crazy thing where diseases can jump from one species to another. Influenza is an example. Sea turtles that carried African smallpox were eaten by the natives. The natives became sick and transferred it to each other. Indian numbers were declining before Europeans came.
But now thanks to the white man there are more Native Americans now than ever before.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:28AM
You are not "white", you fucking pretender! I will dox your ancestry, and show what a confabulation of humanity you are if you do not send me 20 bitcoin by noon tomorrow. Your credentials are on the line, honky!
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:57AM
Got a cite on the sea turtles and smallpox? Not that it's impossible, but I have never seen anything to back that up.
When whites arrived in North America, the Native Americans were already a declining population. Was just reading an account from the early 1800s, from someone who lived 30 years among several major tribes, and one thing he specifically noted was the poor fertility (and this affected every tribe he was familiar with) -- only about one woman in five had any children at all, despite rampant sex in all directions and a great yearning for offspring by one and all. Inbreeding did not seem to be the problem (the Indians had social precautions to prevent it), so I expect it was some venereal disease (if not syphillis, then something else).
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:56AM (4 children)
Because punishing someone for a crime committed centuries ago by someone completely different is reasonable in your eyes? You say that you are not white and not American - but you sure sound as though you feel that you have been victimised. TFS is about the right of all people to express themselves, yet you and others here have reduced it to countering your usual nemesis - anyone who is further to the right than your own political views. I had expected better from you. I am disappointed but not surprised.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:40AM (3 children)
Fuck yes. Much like how the English owe billions to the Irish, for what they did to their Island over centuries, Got a problem with that, fuching Brit? Scots could make an equal, if lesser, claim.
There is the scene in the "Lion King", original, where the Baboon finds Simba. He asks if Simba is not upset that his uncle killed his father and stole the kingdom. Simba says, "That's all in the past, it doesn't matter." The Baboon, being wise, hits Simba on the head with his staff. Simba says,"why did you do that?" The Baboon responds, "It's in the past, what does it matter? But Simba says, "But, it still hurts!" And the Baboon responds, "Oh, yes, the past can hurt."
So, do you get this, janrinok? The Crimes of the past are visited upon the sons of the fathers, whether they think it is justified or not. Karma is eternal.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:02AM (2 children)
But of course your country has never done anything like that....
How about another quote from TFS:
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @09:05AM (1 child)
What country was that,janrinok, and under what regime? Samos was a center of learning, until Polycrates felt threatened by philosophy. That same held for Romans, and later Kaliphs, and Popes. So again, what are you saying, janrinok? Do you concur with the TMB banishment of aristarchus submissions that expose the perfidy of the alt-right? Do you?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:15PM
You know full well that I will not reveal personal information about you. That would enable you to accuse me of doxing you. In any case it would be a serious breach of the access that staff have. However, your writing style, spelling and the very words that you say would give an analyst much to work on.
For you to claim that your country has never done anything wrong and is whiter than white (excuse the phrase here) means that you have to prove it. The onus is upon you to provide the proof.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:31PM
We all know you're a lying gobshite. Yes, you're white, and you're American. Greeks aren't black, nor brown. They're as white as Italians, Spanish, and Slovaks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:29PM (13 children)
I think, therefore I am.
We think, therefore we are.
Or in your case: you don't think, therefore you aren't.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @10:56PM (6 children)
That is the point, moron: fiction, you only think you are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:32PM (5 children)
That's not really the point.
It is *A* point, but it's not *THE* point.
All communities are fictions, creations. No societies have any more rational basis than any other. The old "Red White and Blue" 'murica is just as much a fiction as anything else. It is created and sustained by the current elite for their own benefit. Mindless leftist and conservative drones promote this huge empire because they've never really questioned it, where it's going, or who it benefits.
Ultimately, one must ask oneself what is important in life. That can be the basis of a good, wholesome society and community. For me, the historical, white, American, European culture and identity is worth preserving and promoting. Screw your fictitious RW&B all the colors of the rainbow, queer-loving 'murica. I've seen what it is becoming and I reject it.
Is the path of the globalists, liberals, even conservatives heading in a direction that is worth investing in? Not to me. They are all failed visions. The result will be a cesspool of filth, degeneracy, foreign dominance and poverty.
Visualize a Free White Nation
Fight for a Free White Nation
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @11:44PM (4 children)
You are delerious, you are very afraid, you are fantasizing! Ferkin Nazi! We will replace you, and, indeed, since your "white" identity is a fiction, we already have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:55PM (1 child)
"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [blacks] are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government." --Thomas Jefferson:
Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:72
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:40PM
So would that be the human race and the Martians that he is referring to? It isn't clear what you mean. Have you already been inside Area 51? Go on, tell us all about it...
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:58PM
Thank you for that.
You show, by your words and deeds, that we Whites have no future with people like you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:03AM
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday August 30 2019, @11:07PM (5 children)
I think, therefore I am.
*Of course you are my bright little star
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit our
Great computer
You're magnetic ink*
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:33AM (4 children)
I'm dreaming of a White Christmas.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:39AM (3 children)
"All I want for Christmas is my White Genocide!"
(Jesus was Jewish.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:23AM
I'm sure you do.
Fight for a free White nation!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:28AM (1 child)
Well, personally, I don't care about the "Christ" part of chrismas. For me, the season is Yule.
But, thanks for showing what mutual tolerance and respect is like among left-tards!
The truth is really appreciated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:03AM
We are not left-tards, we are the majority of the planet that are not you! You have united forces you can barely begin to comprehend! The right and the left, non-white-supremacist, now have common cause to crush your vile and fictional ideology. We already know that "whites", if anything, are inferior human beings, incapable of human feeling, charity, or justice. They are also not all that good at trade relations, as the Chinese know. They are inferior to Hindus in math and computation. And, they tend towards incest and nepotism. So, if you have anything that "white" people have that is worthy of respect, please, share!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:44PM (20 children)
What are you a PhD in epistemology? Stop pretending you have a clue about what does or doesn't exist.
Despite your arbitrary declarations like you're some kind of authority on the issue, you are wrong.
A nation is a community of sentiment which would adequately manifest
itself in a state of its own; hence, a nation is a community which normally
tends to produce a state of its own.
(Weber 1948:176)
(Score: 5, Touché) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @10:59PM (19 children)
Actually, yes, School of Alexandria, 284 BCE. I am right. Next question?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:47PM (16 children)
Your school got burned down. You lose.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:09AM (15 children)
May Athena smite the Romans (and Christians) with bolts of fire! But you are thinking of the Library, not the School, although they were associated. And I still have my doctorate, which only means I am competent to teach. You, historically ignorant AC, on the other hand, lose.
And, interestingly, Egypt has built a modern version of the Library of Alexandria [ Bibliotheca Alexandrina ( مكتبة الإسكندرية )] [wikipedia.org]in Alexandria, much of it digital!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:14AM (12 children)
Your school got shut down by the Board of Education for giving out fake PhD's and because it was a diploma mill.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:29AM (11 children)
Say, why don't you double down, AC, and really display your lack of knowledge and education? There were no "Boards of Education", or Regents, or Chancellors in 284BCE, the School was run by the scholars themselves, as a professional association based on mutual recognition of competence. The "Board of Education" is something invented in Texas circa 1982CE, to prevent education from taking place.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:53AM
This thread may actually be your finest moment on SN, ari :) More like this please. I about wet myself laughing over the "PhD in epistemology" thing.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:16AM (1 child)
Say, why don't you double down, Aris-tuchus, and really display your lack of knowledge and education? You know you're really not old enough to have been educated by the Regents, or Chancellors in 284BCE of the Alexandria School. It's obvious you're self-educated. Really, it shows. :-)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:15AM
Rather pathetic that you think you could differentiate an autodidact from a graduate of the School of Alexandria. I was born in 310BCE, [wikipedia.org] and as I said, there were no Boards or Regents, or even Chancellors. The Chancellor is the King's representative on Campus, and the first one was imposed upon Oxford in 1201 [wikipedia.org], free scholars such as Alexandria was need no such fetters. So, do you actually know what epistemology is, and why it is relevant to this thread?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:11PM
So, by your own admission, you have no education from any accredited institutions. /me takes Aristarchus' phud degree and wipes arse with it.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @02:05AM (6 children)
Never mind your degree, or boards of education, or any of that shit.
What I really want to know is... where did you get your time machine??
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday September 02 2019, @07:03AM (5 children)
No time machine, I just keep failing to die. Kind of a pain, since I am not getting any younger. But, it does give me perspective that few have, and I have an obligation to share that, more or less. And, you are correct. Runaway is an idiot, so he does not recognize that things like "accreditation" are only necessary when higher education starts to be perceived as a consumer good, and not what it actually is, the path to liberty for human beings. The School of Alexandria needs no certification that its own reputation does not give it, much like Oxford and the University of Paris do not really need any santion. They do not have to worry about who knocks, they are the Unversities that knock. And our poor Runaway, salt of the earth and truck-driving man that he is, has no clue about what those who are more educated than him know. And so, we are constantly bombarded with Runaway ignorance, which, sort of, is a good thing. Quick, Runaway!!! What is that average air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? (I only ask, because once I asked this of a class, and they to my surprise, gave me an answer. God forbid the speed of an unladen swallow [style.org] be something to escape the grasp of science>).
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:54PM (4 children)
The truck-driving man may be ignorant by the standards of your lauded self, but if all the truck-driving men go on strike at once, what will you eat?
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday September 02 2019, @05:03PM (3 children)
There were no "trucks" in Alexandria, circa 280 BCE. Mostly Dhows. We would get food from the non-white farmers down the road.
More recently I had the opportunity to participate in an academic strike at an American University. The Teamsters showed up and walked our picket line. No one even thought of trying to cross, while they were there, and I thought, "How nice that these gentlemen are on our side!" Runaway strikes me as renegade scab driver.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @08:19PM (2 children)
Speaking from the experience of a friend, the union says "Go walk that picket line if you want to keep working" -- so they do. It's actually required; it's not optional. Kinda like union dues, except extracted as time.
Dhows, eh? you were far-travelled indeed!
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday September 03 2019, @01:45AM (1 child)
Or, Solidarity forever! Or as they used to say in Poland, Solidarność [jisc.ac.uk]!
Alexandria, which is you are an American you would not know, is on the Nile Delta. Lanteen rig sails.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday September 03 2019, @02:37AM
Are you telling me you, yourself, are evidence that the ancient Egyptians were Greeks?
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:36PM (1 child)
Athena smited your goat-smelly Greek asses when she allowed the western Euros to burn your porn library to the ground.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 02 2019, @07:09AM
And you sheep-smelly Goth asses who think you are superior to those of us with goats? Not the mention the cattle and pig smelly Arkansas invaders of the Ozarks! Gitche Manitou disapproves of your lifestyle, especially of your four-wheel-drive vehicles. You are all going to the "Rolling Coal" very special hell.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:17AM (1 child)
Alex was so gay.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @02:14PM
Further, he was a Macedonian. The horror!
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Friday August 30 2019, @11:18PM (3 children)
If there is no "white" then what is that junk on the census form all about anyway?
Or maybe what you just posted is an arbitrary, unsubstantiated, and incredibly pointless non-argument?
(Score: 4, Touché) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @11:24PM
American racism? You seem a bit slow to pick up on things.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:38AM (1 child)
Of course there are White people. These people push the old double standard: claim love and tolerance all the while promoting vile hatred and disrespect.
They hate Whites so much, that they'll pretend we don't exist in our face, but then they'll hate us in their minds with a kind of vile hatred that you could never imagine.
Fight for a free White Nation
White Nationalism is White Freedom!
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:18AM
OK! Who is Spam modding the imaginary white people! Doing that will only re-enforce their persecution complex and make them think that they really exist! Take it back, Spam modder!
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:48AM (1 child)
There is most certainly a "Western" or "Euro-centric" culture, and that is "white". Of course because there isn't a White History Month, we never hear about the great race of people who invited democracy and the Internet.
We hear plenty about how the less productive races are just as equal, as if one could find the Paris or Venice of Africa.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 02 2019, @07:18AM
Euro-centric? What a quaint idea! We are going to Brexit you ass, whitey! You are going to have to choose! Are, or have you ever been, and actual "white" person who was not German, French, Belgiun, Danish, Etstonian, Lithuanian, Italian, Hiberian, Czech, Polish, Montenegran, Swiss, Italian Swiss, French Swiss, or German Swiss, or a Lombard or ETA (Basque). You cannot be "white", since "white" is only a back-formation from "blacK" based on American race-based slavery. So what have you "white" bastards every "produced", besides slavery, Jim Crow, and apartheid?
Racist fucker of mothers, I come in your general direction, and I will make you pay. Call yourself "white", and pay the dues. Racist bastard.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:49PM (3 children)
Just because the word Aryan is outlawed by The International Jew doesn't mean we don't exist. They haven't completely disappeared us yet. Facilitators like you will be fed to the dogs.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:30PM (2 children)
Define "Aryan." Preferably by referencing its roots in Avestan or Old Persian...you know, spoken by the ancient peoples of THE MIDDLE EAST? Who were definitely not white, especially not by your weird standards? This would be funny if it weren't so tragic...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:24PM (1 child)
i simply speak of Caucasoids, excluding Semitic and Hamitic peoples, but i think you know that.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 01 2019, @10:28PM
Why do you exclude the Semitic and Hamitic people? And why, if you include the Irish, Italians, Greeks, Russians, etc. in your worldview as "white," did the culture in the US at large *not* do so until rather recently, historically-speaking? What made that wrong and you correct?
And, what even is it that makes someone "white?"
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:20PM (3 children)
That implies that you believe in the principle that other people should have the same rights you do. But where is that in your definition? It's all "we". Where is the "they"?
The implications are interesting. For example, when your definition claims that "we" have a right to nationality, who else has a similar claim as well?
Or the two "musts". Must others also dedicate themselves to their community, its survival, etc even when that community overlaps with your community? Must every ethnic group (especially the many, many small ones) in every region create nations with equal standing to your nation? If I create my own ethnicity, does that have equal standing nation-wise to yours?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @02:12AM (2 children)
Actually, we already did that sort of self-segregation, and called it 'nations' or sometimes 'countries' -- and a certain amount of overlap was perfectly okay, so long as it didn't overwhelm. When it overwhelmed, we called that an 'invasion' and this led to all sorts of unpleasantness.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 02 2019, @05:27AM (1 child)
Not really. The vast majority of countries and nations started ethnically diverse. Instead of segregation, the greater tendency was towards cultural homogenization. For example, two famous examples of such nation-building, the creations of China and France involved establishing common languages, writing systems, universal cultural ideals, etc. They didn't involve segregation of cultures.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:31PM
You're not going back far enough. "Ethnically diverse" only happened after one homogeneous nation conquered several of its neighbors. Nations started as the political embodiment of singular tribes, not as conglombs of many peoples.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.