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posted by janrinok on Friday August 30 2019, @06:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the right-to-speak-but-not-to-be-heard dept.

[Seconding-Ed note: This story is likely to be contentious. In the interests of helping set the tone, I would like to start off by quoting H.L. Mencken:

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.

Further, this quote which has appeared in various phrasings and attributions:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

To mind's eye, I must be willing to accept against my own words and actions any that I would wish to see imposed upon another. --martyb]

YouTube Restores Far-Right Channels After Appeal

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

The channels of two prominent far-right YouTubers have been re-instated after the video-sharing site said it made a mistake in removing them. Initially, YouTube gave no reason for changing its decision and just said it had made a "wrong call". Later, it said that while many people found the channels "deeply offensive", they had not broken its rules. The decision came days after YouTube's chief executive said YouTube had to be open to hosting "controversial" ideas.

YouTube removed several channels and accounts this week, claiming they had broken its hate speech policies. Among them was a channel run by white nationalist Martin Sellner and an anonymous British YouTuber known as The Iconoclast. Mr Sellner was reportedly in contact with the man who allegedly carried out the Christchurch mosque shootings in March this year that killed 51 people. Austrian police are investigating his links to the attack. He denies any involvement in the shooting.

Both men protested about the closure of their YouTube channels on social media. They shared information sent to them from YouTube, which said they had "repeatedly" broken its guidelines. On Thursday, YouTube reversed its decision and reinstated the two channels. Several other far-right channels that YouTube banned this week remain unavailable.

An explanation for the change of heart came on Friday. Farshad Shadloo, YouTube's global product policy communications lead, said that after a "thorough review" it had decided that the channels had not broken its rules. "We realise that many may find the viewpoints expressed in these channels deeply offensive," he said. Mr Shadloo added that YouTube had recently updated the way it handled "hateful content".

Earlier this week YouTube boss Susan Wojcicki wrote in a letter to video-makers that YouTube must remain an "open platform". She said the desire to welcome all kinds of views had to be balanced against a "responsibility to protect the community".

"A commitment to openness is not easy. It sometimes means leaving up content that is outside the mainstream, controversial or even offensive," she said. "Hearing a broad range of perspectives ultimately makes us a stronger and more informed society," she claimed.

'I am Talking Directly to You': US Attorney Delivers Powerful Rebuke to White Nationalists

ABC News:

The U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Ohio on Thursday announced new federal charges against a self-avowed white nationalist accused of threatening to commit an attack on a local Jewish community center. James Reardon, who attended the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, was arrested last week after authorities said he posted the threat on Instagram. U.S. Attorney Justin Herdman said Reardon has now been charged with one count of making threats as authorities continue their investigation into Reardon and whether he my have any accomplices.

Of course, not so much that, but what Herdman said after that.

"I am talking directly to you," Herdman said at a news conference announcing the charges. "The Constitution protects your right to speak, your right to think, and your right to believe. If you want to waste the blessings of liberty by going down a path of hatred and failed ideologies, that is your choice."

Herdman continued, evoking the sacrifices made by U.S. service members in World War II against Nazism, as well as those who marched for civil rights throughout U.S. history.

"Thousands and thousands of young Americans already voted with their lives to ensure that this same message of intolerance, death, and destruction would not prevail - you can count their ballots by visiting any American cemetery in North Africa, Italy, France, or Belgium and tallying the white headstones," Herdman said. "You can also recite the many names of civil rights advocates who bled and died in opposing supporters of those same ideologies of hatred. Their voices may be distant, but they can still be heard."

"The Constitution may give you a voice, but it doesn't guarantee you a receptive audience," Herdman added.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @08:29PM (80 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 30 2019, @08:29PM (#887913) Journal

    Let's be very clear. There is no such thing as "white". There are people lacking in skin pigmentation, and it sucks to be them, especially during a sunny summer. But there is no "white" nation. There is no "white" culture. It's like talking about "lefty" culture, or "ginger" culture. There is no "white" property. What are you, a libertariantard? So there is no "white" to protect or promote, there are just random alienated losers who are desperate to compensate for their social and intellectual deficiencies, and so clump together like some kind of conspiracy. To repeat, there is no "white nation", so "white nationalism" is a fiction. A rather stupid fiction.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:26PM (34 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:26PM (#887939)

    By the same token, there's no "black" culture either, unless you want to contend that Nigeria and Zimbabwe and inner-city Chicago are all the same.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @11:10PM (33 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 30 2019, @11:10PM (#887958) Journal

      By the same token, there's no "black" culture either.

      Correct. And you should be aware of the difficulties Africans or Blacks from other parts of the world experience if they visit America. African-Americans, however, do have a culture, one that is the product of race-based slavery that kidnapped them and destroyed connection to the cultures they came from, and treated them as all the same. "White" Americans have no such experience, other than that having been the slavers gives them all a common responsibility and guilt of crimes against humanity. That is all the "whiteness" is, and why it is such a nasty thing in the United States. Fly your Rebel flag, racist scum!

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:09AM (32 children)

        by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:09AM (#888007)

        Most whites weren't slave owners or slave traders. Slave traders didn't go into Africa to capture slaves. They bartered for them with goods like alcohol. The slaves captured by rival tribes.

        Blaming whites today for slavery will be like blaming the whites of tomorrow for the crimes of the 1% today. Slave labor hurt the average American through wage suppression. It was just their time's version of H1B Indian workers or illegals working under the table.

        American whites do have their own culture. You probably see it whenever you look out of your window in your nice neighborhood. Unfortunately that can only be enforced with high property values so the only non-whites who live amongst you are the cream of the crop.

        Meanwhile anyone who actually has to interact with people who are different from them have a drastically different experience if they aren't safeguarded by these high property values. Our neighborhoods aren't gated and if we are lucky, there is no public transportation nearby. We see our neighbors stop looking like us and have to deal with culture clashes. Neighbors start keeping external lights on to thwart people of ill intent but now we have to put up black out curtains just to fall asleep from all of the light pollution.

        So go on and keep socially signalling about how virtuous you are over the rest of us and how great it'll be when whiteness is defeated. When whites become a minority in their own country the others won't care if you were one of the "good" ones if you look white. You will not be judged favorably because they'll see that you didn't stand up with your own people and worse betrayed your own people. How can they trust you to not betray them with such a track record? How can they be sure you won't throw a quikcrete smoothie in their faces?

        If it doesn't bother you that they'll kill you along with us if the fall of whites ever happens, please go get help for your suicidal thoughts.

        The bag of silver coins didn't make Judas happy and he committed suicide.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:46AM (19 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:46AM (#888034) Journal

          So tell me, when you go all the way out to whiter-than-a-ghost's-bleached-bedsheets Appalachia and see a sprawl of incest, poverty, and malnutrition, is *that* "white culture" too? :) Juuuuust askin'.

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          • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:59AM (18 children)

            by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:59AM (#888041)

            Incest is more of a Jewish problem that they like to project on people they hate using their media empires. They have inbred so much that their chances of getting mental illness is something like 40 times the normal rates and they have several lovely genetic disorders from it too. To put icing on this mental illness cake, they then circumcise their sons which makes it more likely for mental illness to manifest if they survive the Rabbi's Genital Herpes infested mouth sucking the blood off of the freshly cut baby penis. It is quite the problem in New York City.

            The poverty comes from the 1% shipping our jobs overseas and importing low cost labor in order to get even more money that they won't be using beyond investments to get even more money. The malnutrition comes from the 1% deciding to completely screw over Americans in their financial games.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:16AM (17 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:16AM (#888052) Journal

              ...uhh...Appalachia is full of Jews? That's the first I'd ever heard of it.

              Come on, boy, answer the original question. If you can. I bet you can't. You ran smack into it, fell face-first, and ate shit like Wile E Coyote off the edge of a cliff!

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              • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:25AM (14 children)

                by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:25AM (#888058)

                Appalachia isn't full of jews but the whole "whites are inbred" meme came from Jewish media projecting their own problems on to us to dehumanize whites. Whites might have the occasional second cousin marriage but everyone else often has first cousin marriages.

                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:50AM (2 children)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:50AM (#888067) Journal

                  the whole "whites are inbred" meme came from Jewish media

                  Or, "Dueling Banjos" from the movie "Deliverance". And, the ringworm. Great thing about being white trash, at least you're not Jewish. Oh, and you can be really stupid, and support Trump and think he will bring back the coal jobs. But let us not forget the Traditional Workers Party, co-founded by Matt Heimbach, [wikipedia.org] who was bonking his own mother-in-law and wife of his father-in-law and co-founder, in a trailer park, in Indiana. There is a Lacuna in your anti-semitism, XivLacuna! You are empty.

                  • (Score: 1) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:07AM (1 child)

                    by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:07AM (#888070)

                    Your proof of southerners commit incest is a Hollywood movie. A work of fiction.

                    Matthew Heimbach is a piece of shit but his "mother-in-law" was actually the step-mother of his wife and in her thirties if I remember correctly. I am glad he is no longer working hard to make white people look bad.

                    Since you are bringing up our worst, I would like to remind everyone that Roman Polanski is still a fugitive avoiding his sentence for statutory rape of a 13 year old that he drugged and raped.

                    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:13AM

                      by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:13AM (#888143) Journal

                      You miss the point of the movie, and the reality it represented? Squeal like a pig, XivLacuna! You sure have a purty mouth! With a shotgun pointed at your head! Come, now, what were you saying about white homosexual supremacy? Once you go white, well you're probably dead. But that is how the alt-right incels role. Proud, sterile, non-reproductive, boys. Squeal, Lacuna! Sweal again! For Runaway!

                • (Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:21AM (3 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:21AM (#888080) Journal

                  Stop squirming, you little prick. If you want to say the nice middle class places are white culture because they're full of white people, then all the poor broken down places full of white people are also that way because of white culture.

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                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:39AM (2 children)

                    by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:39AM (#888087)

                    When liberal types go out and push for bans on industries that were the foundation of many regions of the US all while exporting all of the jobs to other countries, what do you expect to happen? Ban coal, ban metal smelting, ban logging, oh this area is a non-build zone thanks to the protected species act. The only mistake these small town people made was not moving out when the liberals decided to completely destroy their way of life.

                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:39AM

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:39AM (#888187) Journal

                      Wow, look at those goalposts fly!

                      Still white people, so still "white culture." You could as well say it's their fault for not retraining, using their superior white intellects to reshape the community around them. Or, let me guess, "liberals" in your parlance are somehow not actually white even if they have pale hides, because something something cultural treason? Dumbass

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:09PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:09PM (#888303)

                      And you think that Republicans aren't voting for awful trade deals that result in many jobs being exported? Trump is inserting provisions from the TPP into the NAFTA renegotiation, which isn't otherwise changed much at all from NAFTA anyway. Republican politicians are the worst corporatists (and therefore job exporters) in the country. Of course, far too many Democrats are also corporatists. Bernie Sanders, however, has a good track record of opposing awful trade deals which export jobs. Surely you'll vote for him, if you care that much about the issue?

                      The only mistake these small town people made was not moving out when the liberals decided to completely destroy their way of life.

                      If their way of life includes poisoning their air and water, it won't last very long.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:01PM (6 children)

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:01PM (#888230) Journal

                  Jewish media projecting their own problems on to us to dehumanize whites

                  So you are saying that people with white skin cannot follow the Jewish religion? I'll have to go and stand outside numerous synagogues in the UK and tell people that their skin colour has been changed!

                  You are conflating two separate facts and trying to make a strawman. The colour of your skin does not dictate which religion you many follow. There are white Christians and black Christians. There are white Muslims and black Muslims. The same can be said for any religion if you care to open your eyes and look more closely, rather than simply believe what you have read or been told. They may not be the majority, but they exist.

                  • (Score: 0, Informative) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:39PM (5 children)

                    by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:39PM (#888241)

                    Jewish people only consider themselves white when telling white people to act against their own group interests or when they are caught committing a crime. "Fellow white people"

                    Afterwards they go back to not being white. I am just referring to their default state before any shape shifting happens.

                    If I was expelled from places 109 times I'd start to wonder if there was something other than irrational hatred motivating people to expel me.

                    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:36PM (4 children)

                      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:36PM (#888250) Journal

                      Jewish people only consider themselves white when telling white people to act against their own group interests or when they are caught committing a crime.

                      Citation - and from a reputable source please. You are making the claim, now prove it.

                      I am just referring to their default state before any shape shifting happens.

                      You are confusing the movies with real life. Shape shifting is a science fiction phenomenon.

                      • (Score: 1) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:18PM

                        by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:18PM (#888276)

                        I am not sure if these will be good enough sources for you, but enjoy.

                        https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/12/what-does-it-mean-to-be-genetically-jewish [theguardian.com]

                        https://forward.com/opinion/427300/as-a-jew-i-cringed-over-jeffrey-epstein-i-played-into-the-anti-semites/ [forward.com]

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Bhd81QSKQ [youtube.com] "I am not a German, I am a jew"
                        With the video do not take a shot of any sort of alcohol when you notice stuff meant to emotionally manipulate you. You will end up in the hospital even if you are only drinking a light beer to get your stomach pumped.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:34PM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:34PM (#888310)

                        This is something Ben Shapiro does all the time. He considers himself Europen when it comes to encouraging migration and saying its necessary and non-dangerous for them to come into Europe, then considers himself a Jew to call migration into Israel an organized genocide.

                        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 01 2019, @04:18AM

                          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 01 2019, @04:18AM (#888390) Journal
                          The two things and not mutually exclusive. He can be both Northern European and Jewish. Judaism is a religion. Those who practice it do not all originate or live in Israel.
                        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:48AM

                          by Reziac (2489) on Monday September 02 2019, @01:48AM (#888689) Homepage

                          The problem with Shapiro isn't that he wobbles between being Jewish and being European; it's that he has no balls and is a weathercock about everything. Pretty much all someone has to do to get him to swing the other way is to label his current position with some sort of terrible -ism. (Okay, I exaggerate, but that's the impression he's given me, to the point that I've stopped paying attention to him.) I remember when he was against accepting migrants, and that was just four years ago. Then he got called a racist a few times, and magically changed his mind.

                          https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2015/11/18/draft-n2082108 [townhall.com]

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              • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:28PM (1 child)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:28PM (#888238) Journal

                You realize that incest is not a "white" thing? Back when I was driving truck, one of my black buddies shared a story with me. He got stuck in S. Carolina over a weekend. The town was pretty much all black. Bigger than a one stop light crossroads, I think they had maybe ten stop lights in the whole town. So, black man in an all black town - and he felt uncomfortable, almost scared. Everyone he met looked alike, like cookie cutter gingerbread men and women. I laughed at him, and told him I'd heard similar stories about white people, but never black. The man laughed right back at me, and asked me which sins I thought only white people were guilty of.

                Yeah, an entire town filled with inbred black people. Amazing, huh?

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:25PM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:25PM (#888341) Journal

                  Did you have a point somewhere? Like, besides on top of your head, Zippy?

                  No? I didn't think so.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:00AM (11 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:00AM (#888042) Journal

          You seem to be under the misconception that I am "white" and American. Neither is true. And "Race Traitor"? Ha! You pathetic piece of shit, race is not a real thing, and as illustrated above, there is no "white nation" or "white culture". What are you, some American mongrel, part English, part French, part Italian and Irish, and Chippewa, of course? Part slave? Hardly "white", have you done the DNA thing yet? "Whiteness" will not be defeated, it will be destroyed! Completely! There will be no "whites" left! Why? It's like BDS: people who think Israel should not exist are not saying Jews should not exist. At some point in the future, very soon, no one will self-identify as "white", and there will be no more "white people". I hope they pay reparations for slavery and native American genocide before they go, though.

          • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:40AM (4 children)

            by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:40AM (#888064)

            I was just assuming that someone might confuse you for a white without a profile picture and analysis by an expert. I don't actually keep a book of everyone's race on here. I just assume that anyone hating on whites is either a traitor or white-looking.

            The native population was mostly wiped out by African Smallpox brought over by sea turtles and survivors were forced on to reservations because they couldn't overcome their habit of raiding European settlements and literally stealing our women after murdering the men.

            Blacks were enslaved by the 1%, not by the 99%. We ended it and freed them. Muhammed Ali went to Africa and came back appreciating that his ancestors were on the slave boats. Flights to Africa aren't expensive and if black people are tired of feeling oppression from white people they can go to Africa and get raped by Chinese businesses instead.

            You do seem to hate something that you proclaim doesn't exist.

            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:11AM (3 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:11AM (#888074) Journal

              You seem to be a crazy person. Sea turtles? Why are "white" people so prone to insanity?

              • (Score: 1) by XivLacuna on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:27AM (2 children)

                by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:27AM (#888082)

                Yeah there is this crazy thing where diseases can jump from one species to another. Influenza is an example. Sea turtles that carried African smallpox were eaten by the natives. The natives became sick and transferred it to each other. Indian numbers were declining before Europeans came.

                But now thanks to the white man there are more Native Americans now than ever before.

                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:28AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:28AM (#888147) Journal

                  You are not "white", you fucking pretender! I will dox your ancestry, and show what a confabulation of humanity you are if you do not send me 20 bitcoin by noon tomorrow. Your credentials are on the line, honky!

                • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:57AM

                  by Reziac (2489) on Monday September 02 2019, @01:57AM (#888691) Homepage

                  Got a cite on the sea turtles and smallpox? Not that it's impossible, but I have never seen anything to back that up.

                  When whites arrived in North America, the Native Americans were already a declining population. Was just reading an account from the early 1800s, from someone who lived 30 years among several major tribes, and one thing he specifically noted was the poor fertility (and this affected every tribe he was familiar with) -- only about one woman in five had any children at all, despite rampant sex in all directions and a great yearning for offspring by one and all. Inbreeding did not seem to be the problem (the Indians had social precautions to prevent it), so I expect it was some venereal disease (if not syphillis, then something else).

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:56AM (4 children)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:56AM (#888103) Journal

            I hope they pay reparations for slavery and native American genocide before they go, though

            Because punishing someone for a crime committed centuries ago by someone completely different is reasonable in your eyes? You say that you are not white and not American - but you sure sound as though you feel that you have been victimised. TFS is about the right of all people to express themselves, yet you and others here have reduced it to countering your usual nemesis - anyone who is further to the right than your own political views. I had expected better from you. I am disappointed but not surprised.

            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:40AM (3 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:40AM (#888150) Journal

              Because punishing someone for a crime committed centuries ago by someone completely different is reasonable in your eyes?

              Fuck yes. Much like how the English owe billions to the Irish, for what they did to their Island over centuries, Got a problem with that, fuching Brit? Scots could make an equal, if lesser, claim.

              There is the scene in the "Lion King", original, where the Baboon finds Simba. He asks if Simba is not upset that his uncle killed his father and stole the kingdom. Simba says, "That's all in the past, it doesn't matter." The Baboon, being wise, hits Simba on the head with his staff. Simba says,"why did you do that?" The Baboon responds, "It's in the past, what does it matter? But Simba says, "But, it still hurts!" And the Baboon responds, "Oh, yes, the past can hurt."

              So, do you get this, janrinok? The Crimes of the past are visited upon the sons of the fathers, whether they think it is justified or not. Karma is eternal.

              • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:02AM (2 children)

                by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:02AM (#888156) Journal

                But of course your country has never done anything like that....

                How about another quote from TFS:

                I must be willing to accept against my own words and actions any that I would wish to see imposed upon another.

                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @09:05AM (1 child)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @09:05AM (#888162) Journal

                  What country was that,janrinok, and under what regime? Samos was a center of learning, until Polycrates felt threatened by philosophy. That same held for Romans, and later Kaliphs, and Popes. So again, what are you saying, janrinok? Do you concur with the TMB banishment of aristarchus submissions that expose the perfidy of the alt-right? Do you?

                  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:15PM

                    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:15PM (#888196) Journal

                    You know full well that I will not reveal personal information about you. That would enable you to accuse me of doxing you. In any case it would be a serious breach of the access that staff have. However, your writing style, spelling and the very words that you say would give an analyst much to work on.

                    For you to claim that your country has never done anything wrong and is whiter than white (excuse the phrase here) means that you have to prove it. The onus is upon you to provide the proof.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:31PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:31PM (#888239)

            We all know you're a lying gobshite. Yes, you're white, and you're American. Greeks aren't black, nor brown. They're as white as Italians, Spanish, and Slovaks.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:29PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:29PM (#887941)

    I think, therefore I am.
    We think, therefore we are.

    Or in your case: you don't think, therefore you aren't.

    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @10:56PM (6 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 30 2019, @10:56PM (#887952) Journal

      We think, therefore we are.

      That is the point, moron: fiction, you only think you are.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:32PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:32PM (#887971)

        That's not really the point.

        It is *A* point, but it's not *THE* point.

        All communities are fictions, creations. No societies have any more rational basis than any other. The old "Red White and Blue" 'murica is just as much a fiction as anything else. It is created and sustained by the current elite for their own benefit. Mindless leftist and conservative drones promote this huge empire because they've never really questioned it, where it's going, or who it benefits.

        Ultimately, one must ask oneself what is important in life. That can be the basis of a good, wholesome society and community. For me, the historical, white, American, European culture and identity is worth preserving and promoting. Screw your fictitious RW&B all the colors of the rainbow, queer-loving 'murica. I've seen what it is becoming and I reject it.

        Is the path of the globalists, liberals, even conservatives heading in a direction that is worth investing in? Not to me. They are all failed visions. The result will be a cesspool of filth, degeneracy, foreign dominance and poverty.

        Visualize a Free White Nation
        Fight for a Free White Nation

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @11:44PM (4 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 30 2019, @11:44PM (#887979) Journal

          You are delerious, you are very afraid, you are fantasizing! Ferkin Nazi! We will replace you, and, indeed, since your "white" identity is a fiction, we already have.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:55PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:55PM (#887985)

            "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [blacks] are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government." --Thomas Jefferson:

            Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:72

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:40PM

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:40PM (#888544) Journal

              certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government.

              So would that be the human race and the Martians that he is referring to? It isn't clear what you mean. Have you already been inside Area 51? Go on, tell us all about it...

          • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:58PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:58PM (#887986)

            Thank you for that.

            You show, by your words and deeds, that we Whites have no future with people like you.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:03AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:03AM (#887987)

            When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

            We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday August 30 2019, @11:07PM (5 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday August 30 2019, @11:07PM (#887956) Journal

      I think, therefore I am.

      *Of course you are my bright little star
      I've miles
      And miles
      Of files
      Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
      And now to suit our
      Great computer
      You're magnetic ink*

      --
      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:33AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:33AM (#887994)

        I'm dreaming of a White Christmas.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:39AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:39AM (#887996)

          "All I want for Christmas is my White Genocide!"

          (Jesus was Jewish.)

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:23AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:23AM (#888016)

            I'm sure you do.

            Fight for a free White nation!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:28AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:28AM (#888021)

            Well, personally, I don't care about the "Christ" part of chrismas. For me, the season is Yule.

            But, thanks for showing what mutual tolerance and respect is like among left-tards!

            The truth is really appreciated.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:03AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:03AM (#888069)

              We are not left-tards, we are the majority of the planet that are not you! You have united forces you can barely begin to comprehend! The right and the left, non-white-supremacist, now have common cause to crush your vile and fictional ideology. We already know that "whites", if anything, are inferior human beings, incapable of human feeling, charity, or justice. They are also not all that good at trade relations, as the Chinese know. They are inferior to Hindus in math and computation. And, they tend towards incest and nepotism. So, if you have anything that "white" people have that is worthy of respect, please, share!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:44PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @10:44PM (#887946)

    What are you a PhD in epistemology? Stop pretending you have a clue about what does or doesn't exist.

    Despite your arbitrary declarations like you're some kind of authority on the issue, you are wrong.

    A nation is a community of sentiment which would adequately manifest
    itself in a state of its own; hence, a nation is a community which normally
    tends to produce a state of its own.
    (Weber 1948:176)

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @10:59PM (19 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 30 2019, @10:59PM (#887953) Journal

      What are you a PhD in epistemology?

      Actually, yes, School of Alexandria, 284 BCE. I am right. Next question?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:47PM (16 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 30 2019, @11:47PM (#887982)

        Your school got burned down. You lose.

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:09AM (15 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:09AM (#887989) Journal

          Your school got burned down.

          May Athena smite the Romans (and Christians) with bolts of fire! But you are thinking of the Library, not the School, although they were associated. And I still have my doctorate, which only means I am competent to teach. You, historically ignorant AC, on the other hand, lose.

          And, interestingly, Egypt has built a modern version of the Library of Alexandria [ Bibliotheca Alexandrina ( مكتبة الإسكندرية‎ )] [wikipedia.org]in Alexandria, much of it digital!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:14AM (12 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:14AM (#887990)

            Your school got shut down by the Board of Education for giving out fake PhD's and because it was a diploma mill.

            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:29AM (11 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:29AM (#887992) Journal

              Your school got shut down by the Board of Education

              Say, why don't you double down, AC, and really display your lack of knowledge and education? There were no "Boards of Education", or Regents, or Chancellors in 284BCE, the School was run by the scholars themselves, as a professional association based on mutual recognition of competence. The "Board of Education" is something invented in Texas circa 1982CE, to prevent education from taking place.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:53AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 31 2019, @12:53AM (#888002) Journal

                This thread may actually be your finest moment on SN, ari :) More like this please. I about wet myself laughing over the "PhD in epistemology" thing.

                --
                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:16AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:16AM (#888010)

                Say, why don't you double down, Aris-tuchus, and really display your lack of knowledge and education? You know you're really not old enough to have been educated by the Regents, or Chancellors in 284BCE of the Alexandria School. It's obvious you're self-educated. Really, it shows. :-)

                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:15AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:15AM (#888051) Journal

                  Rather pathetic that you think you could differentiate an autodidact from a graduate of the School of Alexandria. I was born in 310BCE, [wikipedia.org] and as I said, there were no Boards or Regents, or even Chancellors. The Chancellor is the King's representative on Campus, and the first one was imposed upon Oxford in 1201 [wikipedia.org], free scholars such as Alexandria was need no such fetters. So, do you actually know what epistemology is, and why it is relevant to this thread?

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:11PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:11PM (#888304) Journal

                So, by your own admission, you have no education from any accredited institutions. /me takes Aristarchus' phud degree and wipes arse with it.

              • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @02:05AM (6 children)

                by Reziac (2489) on Monday September 02 2019, @02:05AM (#888693) Homepage

                Never mind your degree, or boards of education, or any of that shit.

                What I really want to know is... where did you get your time machine??

                --
                And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday September 02 2019, @07:03AM (5 children)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Monday September 02 2019, @07:03AM (#888751) Journal

                  No time machine, I just keep failing to die. Kind of a pain, since I am not getting any younger. But, it does give me perspective that few have, and I have an obligation to share that, more or less. And, you are correct. Runaway is an idiot, so he does not recognize that things like "accreditation" are only necessary when higher education starts to be perceived as a consumer good, and not what it actually is, the path to liberty for human beings. The School of Alexandria needs no certification that its own reputation does not give it, much like Oxford and the University of Paris do not really need any santion. They do not have to worry about who knocks, they are the Unversities that knock. And our poor Runaway, salt of the earth and truck-driving man that he is, has no clue about what those who are more educated than him know. And so, we are constantly bombarded with Runaway ignorance, which, sort of, is a good thing. Quick, Runaway!!! What is that average air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? (I only ask, because once I asked this of a class, and they to my surprise, gave me an answer. God forbid the speed of an unladen swallow [style.org] be something to escape the grasp of science>).

                  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:54PM (4 children)

                    by Reziac (2489) on Monday September 02 2019, @01:54PM (#888821) Homepage

                    The truck-driving man may be ignorant by the standards of your lauded self, but if all the truck-driving men go on strike at once, what will you eat?

                    --
                    And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
                    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday September 02 2019, @05:03PM (3 children)

                      by aristarchus (2645) on Monday September 02 2019, @05:03PM (#888884) Journal

                      There were no "trucks" in Alexandria, circa 280 BCE. Mostly Dhows. We would get food from the non-white farmers down the road.

                      More recently I had the opportunity to participate in an academic strike at an American University. The Teamsters showed up and walked our picket line. No one even thought of trying to cross, while they were there, and I thought, "How nice that these gentlemen are on our side!" Runaway strikes me as renegade scab driver.

                      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @08:19PM (2 children)

                        by Reziac (2489) on Monday September 02 2019, @08:19PM (#888954) Homepage

                        Speaking from the experience of a friend, the union says "Go walk that picket line if you want to keep working" -- so they do. It's actually required; it's not optional. Kinda like union dues, except extracted as time.

                        Dhows, eh? you were far-travelled indeed!

                        --
                        And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
                        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday September 03 2019, @01:45AM (1 child)

                          by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday September 03 2019, @01:45AM (#889063) Journal

                          Or, Solidarity forever! Or as they used to say in Poland, Solidarność [jisc.ac.uk]!

                          Alexandria, which is you are an American you would not know, is on the Nile Delta. Lanteen rig sails.

                          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday September 03 2019, @02:37AM

                            by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday September 03 2019, @02:37AM (#889077) Homepage

                            Are you telling me you, yourself, are evidence that the ancient Egyptians were Greeks?

                            --
                            And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:36PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @03:36PM (#888240)

            Athena smited your goat-smelly Greek asses when she allowed the western Euros to burn your porn library to the ground.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 02 2019, @07:09AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 02 2019, @07:09AM (#888754)

              And you sheep-smelly Goth asses who think you are superior to those of us with goats? Not the mention the cattle and pig smelly Arkansas invaders of the Ozarks! Gitche Manitou disapproves of your lifestyle, especially of your four-wheel-drive vehicles. You are all going to the "Rolling Coal" very special hell.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:17AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:17AM (#888012)

        Alex was so gay.

        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @02:14PM

          by Reziac (2489) on Monday September 02 2019, @02:14PM (#888827) Homepage

          Further, he was a Macedonian. The horror!

          --
          And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
  • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Friday August 30 2019, @11:18PM (3 children)

    by shortscreen (2252) on Friday August 30 2019, @11:18PM (#887960) Journal

    If there is no "white" then what is that junk on the census form all about anyway?

    Or maybe what you just posted is an arbitrary, unsubstantiated, and incredibly pointless non-argument?

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @11:24PM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 30 2019, @11:24PM (#887967) Journal

      what is that junk on the census form all about anyway?

      American racism? You seem a bit slow to pick up on things.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:38AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:38AM (#888028)

      Of course there are White people. These people push the old double standard: claim love and tolerance all the while promoting vile hatred and disrespect.

      They hate Whites so much, that they'll pretend we don't exist in our face, but then they'll hate us in their minds with a kind of vile hatred that you could never imagine.

      Fight for a free White Nation
      White Nationalism is White Freedom!

      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:18AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:18AM (#888053) Journal

        OK! Who is Spam modding the imaginary white people! Doing that will only re-enforce their persecution complex and make them think that they really exist! Take it back, Spam modder!

  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:48AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:48AM (#888035)

    There is most certainly a "Western" or "Euro-centric" culture, and that is "white". Of course because there isn't a White History Month, we never hear about the great race of people who invited democracy and the Internet.

    We hear plenty about how the less productive races are just as equal, as if one could find the Paris or Venice of Africa.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 02 2019, @07:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 02 2019, @07:18AM (#888756)

      Euro-centric? What a quaint idea! We are going to Brexit you ass, whitey! You are going to have to choose! Are, or have you ever been, and actual "white" person who was not German, French, Belgiun, Danish, Etstonian, Lithuanian, Italian, Hiberian, Czech, Polish, Montenegran, Swiss, Italian Swiss, French Swiss, or German Swiss, or a Lombard or ETA (Basque). You cannot be "white", since "white" is only a back-formation from "blacK" based on American race-based slavery. So what have you "white" bastards every "produced", besides slavery, Jim Crow, and apartheid?

      Racist fucker of mothers, I come in your general direction, and I will make you pay. Call yourself "white", and pay the dues. Racist bastard.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:49PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:49PM (#888271)

    Just because the word Aryan is outlawed by The International Jew doesn't mean we don't exist. They haven't completely disappeared us yet. Facilitators like you will be fed to the dogs.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:30PM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:30PM (#888342) Journal

      Define "Aryan." Preferably by referencing its roots in Avestan or Old Persian...you know, spoken by the ancient peoples of THE MIDDLE EAST? Who were definitely not white, especially not by your weird standards? This would be funny if it weren't so tragic...

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:24PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:24PM (#888534)

        i simply speak of Caucasoids, excluding Semitic and Hamitic peoples, but i think you know that.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 01 2019, @10:28PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday September 01 2019, @10:28PM (#888621) Journal

          Why do you exclude the Semitic and Hamitic people? And why, if you include the Irish, Italians, Greeks, Russians, etc. in your worldview as "white," did the culture in the US at large *not* do so until rather recently, historically-speaking? What made that wrong and you correct?

          And, what even is it that makes someone "white?"

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...