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[Seconding-Ed note: This story is likely to be contentious. In the interests of helping set the tone, I would like to start off by quoting H.L. Mencken:
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
Further, this quote which has appeared in various phrasings and attributions:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
To mind's eye, I must be willing to accept against my own words and actions any that I would wish to see imposed upon another. --martyb]
YouTube Restores Far-Right Channels After Appeal
Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:
The channels of two prominent far-right YouTubers have been re-instated after the video-sharing site said it made a mistake in removing them. Initially, YouTube gave no reason for changing its decision and just said it had made a "wrong call". Later, it said that while many people found the channels "deeply offensive", they had not broken its rules. The decision came days after YouTube's chief executive said YouTube had to be open to hosting "controversial" ideas.
YouTube removed several channels and accounts this week, claiming they had broken its hate speech policies. Among them was a channel run by white nationalist Martin Sellner and an anonymous British YouTuber known as The Iconoclast. Mr Sellner was reportedly in contact with the man who allegedly carried out the Christchurch mosque shootings in March this year that killed 51 people. Austrian police are investigating his links to the attack. He denies any involvement in the shooting.
Both men protested about the closure of their YouTube channels on social media. They shared information sent to them from YouTube, which said they had "repeatedly" broken its guidelines. On Thursday, YouTube reversed its decision and reinstated the two channels. Several other far-right channels that YouTube banned this week remain unavailable.
An explanation for the change of heart came on Friday. Farshad Shadloo, YouTube's global product policy communications lead, said that after a "thorough review" it had decided that the channels had not broken its rules. "We realise that many may find the viewpoints expressed in these channels deeply offensive," he said. Mr Shadloo added that YouTube had recently updated the way it handled "hateful content".
Earlier this week YouTube boss Susan Wojcicki wrote in a letter to video-makers that YouTube must remain an "open platform". She said the desire to welcome all kinds of views had to be balanced against a "responsibility to protect the community".
"A commitment to openness is not easy. It sometimes means leaving up content that is outside the mainstream, controversial or even offensive," she said. "Hearing a broad range of perspectives ultimately makes us a stronger and more informed society," she claimed.
'I am Talking Directly to You': US Attorney Delivers Powerful Rebuke to White Nationalists
The U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Ohio on Thursday announced new federal charges against a self-avowed white nationalist accused of threatening to commit an attack on a local Jewish community center. James Reardon, who attended the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, was arrested last week after authorities said he posted the threat on Instagram. U.S. Attorney Justin Herdman said Reardon has now been charged with one count of making threats as authorities continue their investigation into Reardon and whether he my have any accomplices.
Of course, not so much that, but what Herdman said after that.
"I am talking directly to you," Herdman said at a news conference announcing the charges. "The Constitution protects your right to speak, your right to think, and your right to believe. If you want to waste the blessings of liberty by going down a path of hatred and failed ideologies, that is your choice."
Herdman continued, evoking the sacrifices made by U.S. service members in World War II against Nazism, as well as those who marched for civil rights throughout U.S. history.
"Thousands and thousands of young Americans already voted with their lives to ensure that this same message of intolerance, death, and destruction would not prevail - you can count their ballots by visiting any American cemetery in North Africa, Italy, France, or Belgium and tallying the white headstones," Herdman said. "You can also recite the many names of civil rights advocates who bled and died in opposing supporters of those same ideologies of hatred. Their voices may be distant, but they can still be heard."
"The Constitution may give you a voice, but it doesn't guarantee you a receptive audience," Herdman added.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:14AM (42 children)
We need more of this sort of thing from you. I hope you see now what I was saying to you a few threads ago, about how we're out of time for neutrality and we either fight this sludge or get buried under it. Welcome to the team, Jan!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:41AM (41 children)
I haven't joined any team. My views haven't changed from what they have been for far longer than you have been alive. I live in Europe and being ex-military I regularly lay tributes at the rows of white tombstones for those who died fighting tyranny. Every town and village in my area celebrates the day they were liberated by US, Canadian, British and other allied forces. But I express my views when I wish to - not when someone else believes I should do so to support them. If you go "a couple of threads back" and re-read them, you will see that I was arguing for everyone having a right to express themselves, which is precisely the topic of this discussion. Facing different and maybe unpalatable points of view is important,
I have a simple response - which you read at the start of this discussion:
Suppressing the views of those with whom you disagree is not 'freedom of speech' or freedom of anything. You have been advocating that we stop those with whom you disagree from posting comments - I am advocating that we argue with them and prove that, as the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Ohio said, they will not receive a receptive hearing from those here who disagree with them. But they still have a right to express their opinions under the US Constitution, however much you may wish it otherwise.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:35AM (25 children)
Thank you for your service. Perhaps you'll offer those words from me when next you visit those graves.
But as to your previous argument -- this isn't about imposing white will on the rest of the country. It's about being left alone in our *already-established* communities, without having incompatible foreigners thrust upon us -- whom no one bothered to ask whether that's what our communities wanted.
But if Minnesotans descended en masse and uninvited on Cairo and made life hell for the established Egyptian community -- that would be terrible, right? so why is it considered right and good when it's the other way around?
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:25AM (24 children)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @01:57PM (23 children)
True, the people who are thrusting them upon us should swing from lampposts, and when eventually the backlash reaches that point, they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
The so-called religion (actually a political system with enough hellfire pasted on top to keep the peons in line) of the outsiders most in question, has as one of its core tenets that unbelievers must convert or die, and does everything in its power to discommode unbelievers until it gains enough power to enforce one or the other (and historically, has done so without fail; and the tipping point is at only 5% of the population). And once 'converted' (by will or force) the prescribed penalty for apostasy is death. That is imposing upon others *as a feature* of their own 'freely practicing', violating others' right of freedom FROM religion.
The other problem is that as one of the Founders [John Adams] put it, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." It does not and cannot serve to govern people whose entrenched system of culture and belief is contrary to its aims; indeed, by allowing the continued practice of their incompatible culture and belief, it enables them as slow-motion conquerors.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @02:47PM (18 children)
Perhaps things are very different where you are. There are large Muslim communities in both the UK, my birth country, and France where I reside now. Yes they have brought their culture, dress and traditions but, with the exception of a few incidents, they have not enforced their religion upon anyone else. There are those radicals that do hit the media headlines but that also applies to others. We have killings that are drug related or are by fringe groups (non-Muslim) etc. By far the majority of Muslims that I meet are normal in every sense of the word. I am not Muslim but I have been welcomed as a friend, have dined with them and. in a few instances, we have exchanged gifts on specific occasions. They dress differently and have different customs of course but they are friendly and do not push their religion on to me. I have certainly never been treated in any way that made me feel uncomfortable in their presence.
I have had similar friendly relationships with Sikhs, Christians of many persuasions, Hindus and others. As long as I respect their customs in their homes, and they respect our customs in my home, there has never been a problem.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:18PM (10 children)
...yet.
Mark my words.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @04:30PM (9 children)
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @06:41PM (8 children)
It may be harder to see the changes when you're the frog being boiled. Whereas from where I sit, it looks like Europe is in the early stages of WW3. It may take another 50 or even 100 years to heat up to a shooting war, but sadly I think it's already too late to stop it.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:13PM (7 children)
I'll be long gone before then - and I don't share your pessimism. The next war will, on current events, be as a result of US action somewhere. I suppose they might insist on buying Greenland and send troops to Denmark to make it happen - but I suspect not.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:31AM (6 children)
As a side note, I'd call Denmark's "insulting" response not a plain no, but an opening sally, hoping to jack up the price by playing hard to get. We'd hardly go to war over Greenland, but neither would it be our first purchase of someone else's white elephant.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday September 02 2019, @06:39AM (5 children)
I believe that you will find that Denmark's 'no' is a NO! Does Trump really think that sovereign nations should be bought and sold?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:49PM (4 children)
This has nothing to do with buying or selling a sovereign nation. Rather, it was -- you've got this white elephant territory that's remote from you and costs you a fortune, but it's close to us and we think we could profitably use it. If you ever want to sell, we'll buy it.
And a normal response for something that's absolutely not for sale, is simply "Sorry, not for sale." A negotiator's response is "What a stupid idea!" which is exactly what Denmark did. And then the offering party nods agreement and waits for the owner to make the next move, which is exactly what Trump did. Nothing may come of it, because Denmark isn't yet that financially strapped, but eventually everyone turns loose of the money-sink parts of their aged-out empires. So it's not a bad idea to bring it up once in a while, just to remind 'em that in the event, we're interested (and that we can outbid everyone else).
And it's a safe bet that if the U.S. doesn't buy Greenland, eventually China will find a way to acquire it, and I don't think any of us want that on our doorstep. And it wouldn't be a bad investment for any large nation; lots of coal and oil and a huge reserve of fresh water.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday September 02 2019, @02:37PM (3 children)
This is entire speculation without anything to support it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @04:16PM (2 children)
Not really. Look at what China has been doing in Africa, and their "new Silk Road" initiative, and how they've been 'acquiring' part of the South China Sea.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/china-new-silk-road-explainer/ [weforum.org]
http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/2015-03/30/content_19950951.htm [chinadaily.com.cn]
Sounds great until you look more closely: China's policy is basically to lend shitloads of money, then when the receiving country can't repay the loan, China takes possession of the asset, which was the real goal all along.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday September 02 2019, @04:58PM (1 child)
You sound a little paranoid about what the rest of the world is up to. Just my opinion. First you feel as if the Muslims are invading wherever it is you live, now you think that China is going to buy countries in Europe.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @08:16PM
Ha, no, just paying attention, and noticing trends.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:45PM (6 children)
A few incidents here and there? You're full of shit or blind as hell. You're a Dhimmi and you sing your masters' praises. Typical Euroslave.
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @05:58PM (5 children)
Yes, if you compare it to the murder rate in most places, the number of people killed as a result of Muslim hatred is small. They are spectacular and get a disproportionate amount of cover in the media, but that doesn't mean they are as prevalent as you might imagine.
For the USA the worst death toll in a single year from Muslim extremists was just less than 3000 and that was 9/11. In the same year there were 15980 murders in the USA. Source: https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/pressrel/press-releases/crime-in-the-united-states-2001-1 [fbi.gov]. However, the death toll for every year since 2001 due to Muslim extremists is much, much smaller.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Reziac on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:03PM (4 children)
History begs to differ. Death inflicted by Islam even outstrips Communism, quite a feat considering Islam came along when the world was far less populated. (The numbers may be inflated, but are probably proportionally correct.)
https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/ [politicalislam.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wugWj42pLI [youtube.com]
or if you want just the map,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo [youtube.com]
and that doesn't go east of Persia, where there were many more.
and if you want hard data,
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism [ourworldindata.org]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 [thereligionofpeace.com]
Also... there is no "radical" or "extreme" Islam; if you read Holy Quran, you'll find those are merely following it more closely. They who fail to practice one of the four jihads (sword, words, money, migration) will have a tough time getting into Allah's heaven.
Every other religion outgrew its violent expansionist phase, by discarding such tenets. Islam enshrines them as eternal and unchangeable. Unfortunately, even most Muslims have no idea what's in there. Muslims who honestly (without taqiyya) befriend kaffir are actually sinning against Islam.
Further, when did you last see Muslims take down or turn in their own 'extremists' ?? It doesn't happen. The grass hides the snake, whether willingly or from fear of being next bitten.
And so do the rest of us, now that we're all more terrified of being tarred as Islamophobes than of being killed.
And the saddest part? Islam is not only a threat to the West, it oppresses a billion Muslims. Absent Islam, what could they be? Iran before the Shah's fall was perhaps a good example; a thoroughly modern country.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 31 2019, @07:17PM (3 children)
We will have to agree to disagree. If you get your political analysis from youtube I am content to see my life out in comparative ignorance. I strongly suspect that the other sites all have a bias to them but as it time for my bed, they will have to wait until another time. Thanks for the convo though.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday September 01 2019, @01:58AM (2 children)
The links I provided are not analysis. They are cold hard facts. These in fact are what started to change my mind -- I used to believe much as you.
You may also want to read this:
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CSP-Explanatory-Memorandum.pdf [centerforsecuritypolicy.org]
It's a document found by the FBI during a raid, that lays out the Muslim Brotherhood's plan for America.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by quietus on Sunday September 01 2019, @04:35AM (1 child)
Instead of sitting in front of a computer screen, why don't you go to one of those Islamic countries, tell everybody who wants to hear you're a devout Christian or Satanist, and see what happens?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:09AM
Yeah, that'd go over well...
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @08:02PM (1 child)
In the US, our biggest problem is with batshit insane Christian authoritarians. Islam is a big problem elsewhere, but not so much here. They try (and sometimes succeed) to violate the Constitution by getting prayer in schools, having their god on the money, forcing children to say the pledge and adding their religion to it, trying to get the government to regulate art. etc. Even more awful than that is their relentless assault on abortion rights, birth control, and their general bigotry against anyone who doesn't conform to their stupid gender roles or religion. So much for individuality. Many lives have been ruined by Christian extremism.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 01 2019, @07:25AM
We keep hearing that claim. In reality, the batshit insane Christian crazies are muzzled today, and have been muzzled for decades. Have you noticed the legalization of marijuana in several states? Maybe you've missed that some blue laws are being repealed, and/or overturned in various jurisdictions. The very fact that you are perfectly free to badmouth those batshit insane Christian crazies publicly is testament to their lack of power and influence.
There is no comparing your pretend boogeyman to Chop-chop square, where Muslim clerics chop heads off of victims, while forcing hordes of fellow Muslims to witness the events.
When, exactly, was the last public beheading in the United States carried out under the auspices of any Christian church?
TL:DR, you're so full of shit, you can taste the shit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 31 2019, @09:43PM (1 child)
You see kids, the White Nationalists aren't advocating violence. It is the non-white groups that are the violent ones.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday September 02 2019, @01:11AM
Way to take it out of context, you puling coward.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 31 2019, @11:15PM (14 children)
I am very rapidly running out of patience with trying to explain this concept to you, Janrinok.
Listen: we are being crapflooded by people who are using the *appearance* of civil discourse and rational discussion to push a genocidal agenda. Do you understand this? If you do not, keep re-reading that sentence until you do. One of the things this means is that attempting to engage with them and defeat them through force of logic and moral superiority doesn't work. Why doesn't it work? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FUCKING HERE TO DEBATE.
Get it now? They are *laughing at you* and every single other person who comes into this as if they're posting in good faith and can be swayed by logic, reason, or basic human decency. They think it's hilarious, especially because they love the idea of being uninhibited and rebellious and cocky and edgy while decent people constrain *themselves* to norms of civility and discourse. In their minds, the fact that people like you and I act this way is only further proof that we are unworthy of existence, do you understand this?
You are not just a commenter. You are part of this site's staff. You and the other editors and the admins are going to have to make existential decisions about what you want this site to be and how you want it to run, going forward, and you're going to have to make them soon.
So far, you have vastly disappointed me, mostly because you've played right into their hands (see the above explanation). I expected better from you. You're not stupid, so why do you still think taking the high road is going to get you anywhere with these people? Open your eyes to what's happening before this place becomes a target for the Feds due to domestic terrorism, damn it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 01 2019, @01:26PM
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday September 01 2019, @05:53PM (12 children)
Everything I quoted above is true, Azuma. However, your suggested "solution" is terribly flawed. Blocking anyone's speech (even if you vehemently disagree) is an assault on the liberties of all of us.
As Justice Brandeis (quite correctly) pointed out in Whitney v. California [wikipedia.org]:
Randall Munro [xkcd.com] expanded on this a bit, too.
So. As Janrinok thoughtfully pointed out, use your considerable rhetorical skills to rebut these scumbags. They won't change their minds, but others who don't have a strong grasp on what these folks are all about may be edified.
The marketplace of ideas [wikipedia.org] has shown these hateful jerks to be wrong over and over. And that's not going to change. The tropes they spew are intellectually and ethically bankrupt. Keep making the point. It's worth it.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 01 2019, @10:25PM (11 children)
Why me, all alone? Why do I get zero support, zilch, zip, nada, nothing, from the editorial staff? Why are they content to sit by and feign pseudo-enlightened neutrality and let me do the dirty work, the dirty work that DOESN'T FUCKING WORK ON THE ONES IT NEEDS TO WORK ON in the first place? We don't HAVE enough people here who are "on the fence" about this stuff that it's worth my time to do this alone.
I'm disgusted to the depths of my soul. There aren't enough good people here in the first place, too few are willing to fight, and aside from a few words of encouragement from you and Acid Andy, I am facing this rising tsunami of sludge completely alone. This is not sustainable.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday September 02 2019, @04:11AM
Because, as you well know, having taken a stab at being an editor yourself, the role of the editors is to provide material for us to discuss. Full stop.
Their role isn't to be the arbiter of right and wrong. Nor is it to provide you (or anyone else) with moral support.
What's more, there were a bunch of people who expressed similar disgust as you have in this topic. So I have no idea why you're complaining.
Free speech is pretty much sacrosanct around here. Which is one of the reasons I've stuck around. Not because I want to hear a bunch of bigoted jerks make nasty, hateful comments about brown people and Jews, that's for sure.
In fact, I'm guessing they get even more shrill when you're around, since they seem to wind you up so easily.
Don't get me wrong, most of your arguments are spot on. But advocating for the site itself to prefer one viewpoint over another? Sorry, I can't and won't support that -- nor will most people here, even the ones who *agree* with your major points.
You might consider not allowing the shitposts, the lies and the gross misrepresentations to bother you. There are assholes here. Then again, as you well know, there are assholes *everywhere*.
As I said in my previous post. Keep doing what you're doing. It does make a difference. Louis Brandeis was right.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by Akemi Homura on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:07AM (9 children)
Like you, I am another lost child in time. The Law of Cycles, hearing your despair and seeing your fight against these Wraiths that kill the soul, has sent me. Others may arrive as well if the need becomes apparent. You are no longer alone.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:13AM (8 children)
What. The. Hell.
Who are you? No, really, who are you? I don't have any meatspace enemies who'd try this. You don't sound like anyone here either. Uzzard and Runaway don't have the imagination to pull this off, Aristarchus doesn't have the self-control, J-Mo and Hallow can't string a single coherent thought together...so who the hell are you? Kurenai?
Look, don't do me any favors, all right? I am more than enough to handle the low-level trolls, and if this site wants to choke on its own shit from the inside, that's the admins' business. I work alone, "Homura."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by Akemi Homura on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:19AM (1 child)
She did warn me to expect this sort of reaction. I understand completely, as I am even less trusting than you are. Nevertheless, I was sent here for a reason and am very much on your side. If you doubt my motives, trust my actions in the near future. You know who and what I am. You know how similar we are. There are others standing by, including another girl so much like you she could almost be you in another probability axis.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:34AM
Oh for the love of little green onions...
Fine, do what you want. I've got an idea of who this "Law of Cycles" is, and my main question for the Law right now is "where the hell were you two years ago?!" Whatever. At least I know I can probably trust you if this is who I think it is.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 03 2019, @12:34AM (4 children)
This little self play would have been more convincing if you had spaced out the timestamps more.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 03 2019, @01:00AM (3 children)
Aww, I was hoping Uzzard would let you in on it first :) This is all with his sanction, too. We had a very interesting conversation not so long ago, the likes of which I still cannot believe even though I've got screenshots!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 03 2019, @01:17AM (1 child)
I'm intrigued. Did it go down on logged IRC?
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 04 2019, @12:25AM
Yes, with Mr. Corpse Molester specifically saying about half a dozen admins can see this. He also admitted that there's really no good way to solve the troll problem without compromising his principles, but shutting me down if I got too out of hand (I'll try not to...) would fatally compromise his freedom of speech principles, and that this place might actually choke on its own overhead if too many new rules are put into place.
I'd like to think of myself as part of SN's immune system. I'd also like to point out that there is such a thing as an autoimmune disease.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05 2019, @12:06PM
oh, oh well
no need for my gut being right when i can just scroll slightly further and see for myself
carry on then...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05 2019, @12:01PM
not me.... i've been thinking about getting an account again if this sentai needs a 3rd, if anything for the mod points. i'm just not confident yet that i can keep myself under control... been working with a good psychologist, and he believes i have something along the lines of ptsd... has been my theory so i specifically did not mention that to him to see if he reached the same conclusion. have been hesitant in case i get taken over by skynet drm again, or turn into a witch, or whatever it is ptsd does to me when i go bad.
- the idiot formerly known as kurenai.tsubasa