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Carbon-heavy development in countries part of China's Belt and Road Initiative could render the Paris climate goals unreachable, according to a new analysis on the gargantuan global infrastructure project released Monday.
The massive network of ports, railways, roads and industrial parks spanning Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe will see trillions invested in new infrastructure across 126 countries.
While the Chinese state is putting up a significant part of the cash, the project will also see other national and private-sector investment, and opponents warn of its devastating environmental impact.
An analysis of the possible carbon footprint of infrastructure development in Belt and Road (BRI) countries said there was a significant risk of the initiative alone producing enough greenhouse gas emissions to derail the Paris climate goals.
The 2015 accord enjoins nations to cap temperature rises to "well below" two degrees Celsius (3.6 Farenheit) above pre-industrial levels.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @07:07AM (19 children)
Who are those they that you mention, precious?
'Cause surely:
- your capitalist masters don't give a fuck about pollution (unless forced by govt), they are only after your money; *and*
- your government masters aren't seeking to make the world better, just to get enough votes from one election to the other (so they will apply the minimal force on the capitalists necessary for keeping you barely happy enough to vote for them)
Neither of them fit the expectations you seem to imply as natural to have from a super-authority that can rule the humanity to its betterment. Do you wish for one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 4, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:00AM (8 children)
"They", in this case, would be all of the greenie people who are concerned about the environment. "They" should have been in line, blocking every effort to dismantle US/Euro industry, and shipping it offshore. Now, "They" are seeing in 20/20 hindsight that "they" were hoodwinked. The time for any positive action on their part is long past.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:12AM (2 children)
Because Runaway1956 didn't give a fuck about, but now finds convenient to have someone to point a finger to... or what? Did you have a medical exemption on those actions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:42AM (1 child)
Runaway1956 has been screaming about offshoring since about 1980. Runaway1956 expressed his disgust with China's "most favored trade partner" status. Runaway1956 was vocal in his opposition to NAFTA and every "trade agreement" that has come down the pike. Runaway1956 has done his best to spread the word that Walmart is an unAmerican, anti-capitalist monopolistic company. Medical exemption? There's nothing wrong with my lungs, or my typing fingers, thank you very much.
I think that I'm entitled to express some contempt for all the greenies who are just now waking up to real world facts.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:55AM
I didn't hear you. Is it a wonder you didn't hear me? Or other greenies?
I reckon you can get an explanation on why is that on your own (hint: think who controls the amplifier)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 03 2019, @11:49PM (4 children)
They were.
At least in my country they were.
The people protesting sending jobs (along with the pollution) offshore were largely drawn from the trades union movement. The same union movement that is and always has been the backbone of the environmental movement.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 03 2019, @11:58PM (3 children)
Interesting. Unions in the US haven't exactly been a vocal part of the green movement. Or, if they have, somehow I have missed it. Union members, to me, have always seemed similar to the monied capitalist investors. "I've got mine, and I'm going to get all I can while I can." I'll note that at the peak of their power, the unions did little to nothing for working women who made half (or less) of minimum wage in restaurants because "Well, they make their money on tips!"
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 04 2019, @01:17AM
You might find a lot of the trades unionists in your country are actually pretty passionate about the environment, even if it is not their "day job".
Several of our Green Party MP's have a previous career in a union, if that has any relevance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04 2019, @08:08AM (1 child)
Moving the goalposts. Just yesterpost, you were arguing about the unions not being green enough. What's this about women, is feminism a green cause too now?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 04 2019, @01:58PM
Well, yeah, I think a fair, living wage is kinda a green issue. You do know how certain people were exempted from the minimum wage laws, do you not? Just in case - rich ranchers and resaurateurs went to Washington, and bribed their congress critters to exempt all the people who worked for them.
Very much like how Pelosi exempted American Samoa from the raise in minimum wages, because she and her husband own big stocks in the tuna industry.
"Oh, Americans deserve a decent wage, unless they work for me!"
I need X amount of green to get by, and most waitresses, farm workers, and whatever probably need some similar amount of green just to get by. Sucks that a waitress has to suck up to shit-head customers in the hopes of getting a tip to make up for the customer's crap attitude. You've seen it, I've seen it, we've all seen it, if you live in the US.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:12AM (7 children)
The Developed World, particularly the EU.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:51AM (6 children)
You talking particularly about that EU that is on its way to reduce it's CO2 emissions beyond what it promised [soylentnews.org]? The very one with an employment rate 73.2% [wikipedia.org] which is higher that the highest ever US employment rate (which was 64.70 percent in April of 2000 [tradingeconomics.com])?
The one that managed to do that while taking, over the last 4years, over a millions refugees from zones destabilized by American actions [wikipedia.org] (Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia) and surpassing the entire refugee intake of US over a decade [wikimedia.org]?
Me thinks you are speaking from your ass on this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 03 2019, @05:13PM (1 child)
How is the employment rate 60% but unemployment rate 3%? Seems to be 37% missing there.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:28PM
These are the times when "unemployed == receives welfare support". If one doesn't qualify for that support, one is simply not unemployed, even if s/he's living on the streets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 03 2019, @07:28PM (1 child)
Most of those things aren't directly related to pollution. It you want to argue political stances, and actions, you've got a point, but that's a different argument.
That said, the EU *has* done a terrific job at controlling pollution. I have no idea how much of their success is due to exporting it to other countries. That's no even clear (to me) of the US except in the case of recycling, which China has recently decided to opt out of.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @08:37PM
Was answering to the assertion of "EU is leader in globalization/job outsourcing"
How do you keep 72% of your workforce employed if you export jobs and import workforce?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Troll) by Captival on Tuesday September 03 2019, @09:28PM (1 child)
When you're Big Chief Libtard, millions of illegal freeloader terrorists from the Mid East become poor refugees that were destabilized by America. Good job taking some of them in and bragging about your numbers while conveniently ignoring the US's millions of illegal immigrants. Sorry that your dad abused you though, leaving you with lifelong resentment and jealousy towards your superiors.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @09:39PM
Don't give up your daily job until you learn how to clown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday September 03 2019, @11:06AM (1 child)
Whom you call capitalist masters are VERY interested in pollution. As a mean of control. Pollution is sold as an inevitable byproduct of human activity, but there are ample margins to reduce waste. But since this would necessarily imply a partial return to a more independent and well modularized pre industrial society, we will just have more red tape and speculation on resources.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 03 2019, @11:51AM
Eh, well, until that "partial return" that you speak of actually happens, I'm afraid the only pollution the capitalist masters are concerned about is the nocturnal one [wiktionary.org].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford