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posted by martyb on Wednesday September 04 2019, @04:13AM   Printer-friendly
from the Ruh-Roh!-What-happens-now? dept.

Boris Johnson loses Parliamentary majority, faces Brexit showdown

Britain's Parliament returns from its summer recess and is facing a titanic showdown over Prime Minister Boris Johnson's plans to leave the European Union. Here's what we know:

● Johnson has lost his majority in Parliament, with the defection of Conservative Phillip Lee to the Liberal Democrats.

● The opposition, including members of Johnson's party, is seeking to pass legislation to delay Brexit.

● Johnson has said that if his foes succeed he will call early elections.

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#54: George Canning, 119 days (1827)
#55: Boris Johnson, 40 days (Incumbent) (2019)

See also: Brexit: Tory MP defects ahead of crucial no-deal vote
How Brexit Blew Up Britain's Constitution


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  • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Wednesday September 04 2019, @04:16PM (3 children)

    by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday September 04 2019, @04:16PM (#889581) Journal

    Honestly, I don't know enough how things work in the UK government to actually comprehend the implications of any of what is going on. I was reading this article: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/brexit-snap-election-could-damage-boris-johnson-party.html [cnbc.com]

    Near the end, it says that Scotland mostly voted against brexit and that some see Scotland staying in the EU as a path to independence. Which to me, makes it sound like Scotland's remain sentiment, is a different kind of brexit sentiment. Is that at all accurate or am I just not comprehending?

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  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday September 04 2019, @06:46PM (2 children)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 04 2019, @06:46PM (#889638) Journal

    Well, it's not certain that an independent Scotland would be better off, and it's not clear that the EU would allow it to join (because of Spain and Catalonia).

    OTOH, British politicians have not been kind to Scotland over the past couple of decades. (I didn't notice before that.) And it's quite possible that they would be considerably worse without EU supervision.

    Sometimes there aren't any good choices.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04 2019, @08:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04 2019, @08:14PM (#889674)

      Spain would need to change the Constitution, there are no union deals like with UK. So it is possible, just very rare (IIRC needs approval by Chambers, new elections and referendum to approve it, and approval again by new Chambers... and not sure if just >50% or more like >66% in some cases). That is why the Catalonia-only referendum was illegal and a bunch of people are being judged.

      Independentists just have to offer such a nice deal that even Nationalists agree. But, notwithstanding all the "payments" that would have, it would also mean Catalan* politicians would not be able anymore to extort central government ever time it needs votes because there is no majority. Then Catalonia could join EU as new country, but Spain would make it hard (or even veto if they can).

      So the circus continues, and they can distract everyone away from how Pujol family and others enrichened themselves (one good reason it went from noise in the first decades of democracy to full noise in the last one, it was discovered in the '00s), or how central parties also have dirty deals (no one seems to be free of shit). They can not depend on the national soccer team winning constantly.

      *: or Basque, or Canary, or $LOCAL_PARTY... it would be best moment for everyone that "wants" to leave to do it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04 2019, @08:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04 2019, @08:47PM (#889685)

      Well, it's not certain that an independent Scotland would be better off, and it's not clear that the EU would allow it to join (because of Spain and Catalonia).

      Correct...though you'll never hear the SNP say that out loud when the plebs are listening...they've been trying to imply to them that they've some sort of secret 'understanding' with the EU..

      OTOH, British politicians have not been kind to Scotland over the past couple of decades. (I didn't notice before that.) And it's quite possible that they would be considerably worse without EU supervision.

      Aye, and the fuckwits in the SNP are not doing themselves any favours by collaborating with the anti-Brexit mob down south...incidentally, a lot of who are/were against Scottish Independence, by seeking to overturn a UK wide democratic vote by the use of UK parliamentary 'shenanighans' they've left themselves open for the same procedural dirty tricks to be used against them if/when the next indyref happens (and it's not a given, especially when the English vote in a seriously right wing Tory-UKip-Unionist [read: England, Engurland, Über alles] government when Boris & co force the general election through)....Scotland is fucked...but hey, that's the joys of creating legal/procedural precedents.

      Foolishly, I thought I might actually live to see an independent Scotland, thats why, despite hating the fuckers, I've been voting SNP, their asinine actions here (and some of the other crap they've done while in power...and some of the shit they're planning to inflict on us) have made me seriously reconsider my position on this.