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posted by janrinok on Wednesday September 11 2019, @01:52PM   Printer-friendly
from the with-great-power-comes-great-responsibility dept.

At The Hill,

Washington Monthly Executive Editor Gilad Edelman said the perception of Silicon Valley has shifted dramatically among Democrats and Republicans since the 2016 presidential election.

Edelman told Hill.TV that the industry was relatively insulated from criticism and viewed favorably by both parties until President Trump's surprise victory over Hillary Clinton, saying his win "really scrambled a lot these beliefs and intuitions."

"Silicon Valley seems to have gone from an industry with no enemies to an industry with no friends," Edelman said during an interview on "Rising."

"Democrats realized that whatever the CEOs of Google or Facebook might think, these platforms seems to have facilitated Donald Trump's election," he added. "On the right, the fact that Trump could get elected while breaking from some pretty serious orthodoxies — at least superficially on economic matters — meant that maybe there was more room to criticize corporate business practices than conservatives had previously thought."


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Wednesday September 11 2019, @04:32PM (13 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday September 11 2019, @04:32PM (#892776) Journal

    What gets me is the number of people who don't even identify with a party OR an issue. It's just "God i hate party A: i'm voting for party B!" Then it's "God party B is shit...i'm voting party A!"
    Back and forth. Definition of insanity.
    They never once think "Hey, maybe i'll vote party C and see what happens."

    Or don't vote at all, but do all the bitching and complaining.

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  • (Score: 2) by Sourcery42 on Wednesday September 11 2019, @07:30PM (1 child)

    by Sourcery42 (6400) on Wednesday September 11 2019, @07:30PM (#892870)

    But if you don't vote for a lizard the wrong lizard might get in.

    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday September 13 2019, @01:07AM

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday September 13 2019, @01:07AM (#893453) Journal
      You can always run yourself if you're not happy with the choices. You probably won't win as an independent (I didn't) but it's gratifying to see that, a year after ridiculing some of my ideas, they adopted them as their own and put them into practice.

      Ultimately, I got to change a few things for the better and that's more than would have happened if I had just voted for the lesser of two evils. If everyone did it just once in their life ..:

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 11 2019, @11:11PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 11 2019, @11:11PM (#892951)

    Or don't vote at all, but do all the bitching and complaining.

    Those really bother me. People don't understand that whether they cast a vote (but not who they voted for or even whether they left the ballot blank) is public and politicians pay a lot of attention to that information, at least in aggregate. Somewhere around 40% of Americans don't vote even in presidential general elections. They're the largest voting block by far. And they have this strange idea that there's nothing they can do except complain about politicians ignoring them when they're the ones ignoring the political process.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 11 2019, @11:32PM (7 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday September 11 2019, @11:32PM (#892963) Journal

      Somewhere around 40% of Americans don't vote even in presidential general elections. They're the largest voting block by far. And they have this strange idea that there's nothing they can do except complain about politicians ignoring them when they're the ones ignoring the political process.

      I used to share that view, but I don't anymore. Now I see it as a reflection of the reality of the futility of voting in a rigged system. People perceive that voting for D's or R's makes no real difference to their lives, that they still all get screwed by the same rich, powerful assholes over and over, so why go to all the effort of learning about issues, hacking through layer after layer of purposeful obfuscation on the part of the rigged game, and taking time out to vote when it makes no goddamn difference.

      Honestly, Trump's election was a primal scream, and I believe that America is still screaming that primal scream because not nearly enough of the rich, powerful assholes have been put to the knife. If he actually does that, and really takes those same assholes down, he'll be re-elected in the most epic landslide of all time.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 12 2019, @12:17AM (4 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 12 2019, @12:17AM (#892989) Journal

        not nearly enough of the rich, powerful assholes have been put to the knife.

        I wonder about that. Epstein? We haven't seen any big-money influential people burned by that scandal - yet at least. But, maybe the burning takes place in back yards, out of sight of the peasants? Those raids on Epstein's properties have to have some results. And, Epstein himself has met his maker, which seems to be an overall "good thing". He won't be diddling any more children!

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 12 2019, @12:46AM (3 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday September 12 2019, @12:46AM (#892999) Journal

          If the Epstein crowd aren't burned at the stake, then that means somebody took over his blackmail operation. Presumably, that would be Trump.

          But I don't want Trump to take over the blackmail operation, I want him to publicly hang the Clintons and every other POS who diddled children at Epstein's Island. Because, goddamn it, if the fucking feds can't enforce laws against sexually abusing children then they are completely fucking useless and evil also and we Americans must hang every one of them too.

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          • (Score: 2) by legont on Thursday September 12 2019, @01:11AM (2 children)

            by legont (4179) on Thursday September 12 2019, @01:11AM (#893005)

            I doubt it's Trump. Epstein's "madam" is probably Mossad and that's where the handlers are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell [wikipedia.org]

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @03:03AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @03:03AM (#893035)

              Like the man said, "I want him to publicly hang ... every POS who diddled children at Epstein's Island". Mossad included.

              This is the come to Jesus moment when right and left unleash in the same direction and the nation gets to feel what that's like again. Hopefully without starting WW3.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @07:19AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @07:19AM (#893078)

                For you the Epstine scandal was a transformative event, and peering back of the veneers that hide the elite and powerful. For Mossad it was Tuesday. Their crimes are the dark-matter that keeps this galaxy together.

      • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Thursday September 12 2019, @01:48AM (1 child)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Thursday September 12 2019, @01:48AM (#893014) Journal

        The better way to show that you think the process is bullshit, is to vote for Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck or whatever. Can you imagine the shitstorm if 40% of the country wrote in some cartoon character? It would take a concerted effort to get people to do that but man, it would be beautiful. The "none of the above" option when they won't print that on the ballot.

        • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday September 13 2019, @01:14AM

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday September 13 2019, @01:14AM (#893457) Journal
          They already voted for a ridiculous cartoon character, and he got elected. Electoral financial reform, no corporate donations, a cap on individual donations of 5% of the average annual income, per person, and banning corporate lobbyists.

          There wouldn't be enough money for 18-month election campaigns. A month or two max.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @05:47AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @05:47AM (#893063)

    Until we get range voting or instant runoff or some other alternative, a vote for party C is a vote against your second choice. If you have any preference between the two front runners then in first past the post the way to get your preference honored is to vote for the one you prefer.

    Simple version: Nader elected W.

    See the book "Gaming the Vote" and nerd out about election systems.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @01:30PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12 2019, @01:30PM (#893148)

    I once voted and turned in a blank ballot.

    I hadn't had time to come to a conclusion about who to vote for, so I didn't want to vote for anyone (I basically never vote for anyone that is running unopposed, don't care enough to learn and thus don't feel I should support any of them). However, I wanted to still be counted as a person that votes (that is, they see that I take the effort to go to the polls, thus I am worth wooing.

    Most people I told about it thought I was crazy.