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posted by janrinok on Sunday September 15 2019, @02:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the perhaps-not-as-old-as-she-looks dept.

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Study finds the universe might be 2 billion years younger

New calculations suggest the universe could be a couple billion years younger than scientists now estimate, and even younger than suggested by two other calculations published this year that trimmed hundreds of millions of years from the age of the cosmos.

The huge swings in scientists' estimates—even this new calculation could be off by billions of years—reflect different approaches to the tricky problem of figuring the universe's real age.

"We have large uncertainty for how the stars are moving in the galaxy," said Inh Jee, of the Max Plank Institute in Germany, lead author of the study in Thursday's journal Science .

Scientists estimate the age of the universe by using the movement of stars to measure how fast it is expanding. If the universe is expanding faster, that means it got to its current size more quickly, and therefore must be relatively younger.

The expansion rate, called the Hubble constant , is one of the most important numbers in cosmology. A larger Hubble Constant makes for a faster moving—and younger—universe.

The generally accepted age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, based on a Hubble Constant of 70.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 16 2019, @01:00PM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 16 2019, @01:00PM (#894584) Journal

    and systematic error to avoid making overconfident proclamations

    Well, it would be helpful, if you could provide us with the right answer so that we know what that systematic error is supposed to be. Else we don't actually know that there's any systematic error greater than the +/- 20 million years in the first place.

    They would be fired if this type of stuff had any real world impact.

    Like say economics? Tell us another fairy tale.

  • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday September 16 2019, @03:02PM (1 child)

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Monday September 16 2019, @03:02PM (#894622)

    I am in the process of publishing a paper and it took me *2 years* to estimate the systematic error. GP is right the authors should be ashamed for not including systematic error.

    > provide us with the right answer so that we know what that systematic error is supposed to be

    Well, what are the sources of systematic error? Systematic uncertainty in distances/luminosity, redshift? Theoretical uncertainty from simulation of galactic cluster evolution or whatever? This stuff can and should be estimated.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 16 2019, @10:47PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 16 2019, @10:47PM (#894855) Journal

      GP is right the authors should be ashamed for not including systematic error.

      What systematic error wasn't included?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 16 2019, @04:21PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 16 2019, @04:21PM (#894667)

    You want me to do their job for them? They estimated the systematic error was zero. If I was going to estimate something by default on this I would say 20%.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 16 2019, @10:46PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 16 2019, @10:46PM (#894854) Journal
      Some AC is asserting the age of the universe is different, not merely could be different. So it is reasonable to ask what is the evidence to support that?