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posted by martyb on Monday September 16 2019, @05:00PM   Printer-friendly
from the things-expand-to-exceed-the-space-provided dept.

https://danluu.com/web-bloat/

A couple years ago, I took a road trip from Wisconsin to Washington and mostly stayed in rural hotels on the way. I expected the internet in rural areas too sparse to have cable internet to be slow, but I was still surprised that a large fraction of the web was inaccessible. Some blogs with lightweight styling were readable, as were pages by academics who hadn't updated the styling on their website since 1995. But very few commercial websites were usable (other than Google). When I measured my connection, I found that the bandwidth was roughly comparable to what I got with a 56k modem in the 90s. The latency and packetloss were significantly worse than the average day on dialup: latency varied between 500ms and 1000ms and packetloss varied between 1% and 10%. Those numbers are comparable to what I'd see on dialup on a bad day.

Despite my connection being only a bit worse than it was in the 90s, the vast majority of the web wouldn't load. Why shouldn't the web work with dialup or a dialup-like connection? It would be one thing if I tried to watch youtube and read pinterest. It's hard to serve videos and images without bandwidth. But my online interests are quite boring from a media standpoint. Pretty much everything I consume online is plain text, even if it happens to be styled with images and fancy javascript. In fact, I recently tried using w3m (a terminal-based web browser that, by default, doesn't support css, javascript, or even images) for a week and it turns out there are only two websites I regularly visit that don't really work in w3m (twitter and zulip, both fundamentally text based sites, at least as I use them)[1].

More recently, I was reminded of how poorly the web works for people on slow connections when I tried to read a joelonsoftware post while using a flaky mobile connection. The HTML loaded but either one of the five CSS requests or one of the thirteen javascript requests timed out, leaving me with a broken page. Instead of seeing the article, I saw three entire pages of sidebar, menu, and ads before getting to the title because the page required some kind of layout modification to display reasonably. Pages are often designed so that they're hard or impossible to read if some dependency fails to load. On a slow connection, it's quite common for at least one depedency to fail. After refreshing the page twice, the page loaded as it was supposed to and I was able to read the blog post, a fairly compelling post on eliminating dependencies.

[1] excluding internal Microsoft stuff that's required for work. Many of the sites are IE only and don't even work in edge. I didn't try those sites in w3m but I doubt they'd work! In fact, I doubt that even half of the non-IE specific internal sites would work in w3m.


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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday September 17 2019, @04:28AM

    by Arik (4543) on Tuesday September 17 2019, @04:28AM (#894989) Journal
    The non-semantic components were supposed to be purged as the standard went forward, not expanded to consume the whole.

    The best I can tell the reason this changed is because there was too much reliance on funding from advertisers, and they preferred to have it the way it is for obvious reasons; while the browser developers no doubt found making a proper display engine a tougher nut than initially imagined. By fundamentally abandoning the concept of a web browser they avoided most of the work involved in developing one. Their funders were happy and the vast majority of their users didn't even notice anything going wrong until years later.

    "there are circumstances when the "Javascript in browser" combination is extremely useful."

    Kind of like being able to send emails anonymously, this is one of those ideas that seemed to make sense back in the days when the internet was a community and we all knew and basically trusted each other. Pre september. Today, it's utter insanity.
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