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[In Australia,] State's upper house drags feet in passing law legalising abortion despite an overwhelming 75-percent support by voters.
The Reproductive Health Care Act 2019, which seeks to bring the state in line with the rest of Australia, would allow abortion up to 22 weeks. It was passed by the state lower house in August, with 59 votes in favour and 31 against. The bill's backers say the change will protect women and reduce some of the stigma associated with the procedure, but the legislation has attracted intense debate and national attention.
Barnaby Joyce, a former deputy prime minister, claimed the bill ignored the rights of unborn children and, at an anti-abortion rights rally over the weekend, former prime minister Tony Abbott alleged the move to decriminalise would enable "infanticide on demand".
Terminations have existed in a legal grey area - allowed for health or economic reasons, but still carrying a risk of prosecution. "We need to take abortion out of the Crimes Act and give women autonomy over their decisions," Family Planning NSW Medical Director Dr Deborah Bateson told Al Jazeera.
A survey released this month by Pro-Choice NSW showed that more than 77 percent of the state's residents support decriminalisation.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Friday September 20 2019, @12:24AM (30 children)
Whether it's who to have sex with, who to marry, or terminating a pregnancy, if it's not your body that is being affected, it's not your choice.
If men got pregnant, abortion would be available for free on demand and come with beer and pizza.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @12:30AM (4 children)
I don't recall vasectomy being free or covered by insurance, and it certainly doesn't come with beer and pizza (paid out of someone elses pocket)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @06:09AM (1 child)
It should be free or covered by insurance. Happy?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @09:40AM
Not without beer and pizza, no.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 20 2019, @06:24PM (1 child)
Health insurance usually covers vasectomies, although you may be required to use an in-network doctor and/or pay a copay or coinsurance costs. If you do have to pay out of pocket, vasectomies may be more affordable than many other types of care procedures, and you may be able to finance the operation over time. [lendedu.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:08AM
My insurance only covers vasectomies if it is a "family plan," as opposed to "single plan." My guess is that they want to cover vasectomies in that case because it is a heck of a lot cheaper to pay for the vasectomy than it is to pay for the obstetric and pediatric care under the family plan.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 20 2019, @12:38AM (14 children)
As AC has already stated - bullshit. Men do not get any free services from the government. If men DID get free services from the government, women long ago would have demanded, and received, similar services. If you want to dig into inequalities mandated by government, maybe you should look at the draft. Every male in this country has to register for the draft. No women are registering. If women start flocking to the federal buildings in this nation to register for the draft, it might attract some attention. But, most women are too smart to want to trudge through the mud to shoot up whatever some politician wants shot up.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @06:11AM (1 child)
Solution: Recognize the draft as what it is - a form of slavery - and strip the government of its power to even call for a draft under any circumstances. There, an inequality solved the right way.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @04:28PM
We tried that the first time and the government fell apart. The current United States of America is our second attempt at a government. Please learn your history before pushing for things that have been shown not to work.
(Score: 4, Touché) by VLM on Friday September 20 2019, @11:31AM (1 child)
Sure they do, child support enforcement will be all over them if the girl decides NOT to get an abortion.
Female attention whores need to get all dressed up and show off the goods, male attention whores just need to get some girl pregnant and they'll get more attention from Big Brother than they can even imagine...
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday September 20 2019, @02:19PM
Quite sure he meant free services that are beneficial to the person they are effecting. As opposed to say, a bank robber's free services by the FBI to track them down.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday September 20 2019, @06:04PM (5 children)
Free vasectomies, free treatment for prostate diseases, free treatments for erectile dysfunction - much of the world consider this to be a basic right for men.
Or you can continue to vote for money for obsolete F35 jets that can't take out a drone costing 1/1000 the price. Ask Saudi Arabia how naked they feel with all that latest tech. As always, you keep spending money to fight the previous war, even as the nature of warfare changes every generation.
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 21 2019, @02:07PM (4 children)
Uhhhhhmmmmmmm - waitaminnit. I should petition my representatives to cut my nuts, and to do it for free? You can be whatever, Barbie, but fuck if I'm going to ask my government to cut on men's manhood.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday September 27 2019, @04:47PM (3 children)
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 27 2019, @11:21PM (2 children)
Nice change of subject. A vasectomy has almost zero relationship to repairing combat damage. Or, non-combat damage for that matter.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:28AM (1 child)
It's also one way to help deaf with the climate crisis and too many people competing for ever fewer resources such as clean air and water.
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 28 2019, @03:20PM
You're being - what? Intentionally obtuse? Whether it's a snip-snip-snip, or a knife stroke, or whatever, a vasectomy involves a "cut".
If it's done with a meat cleaver, or an IUD, or a poleaxe, there's a "cut".
So, even your "no cut" vasectomy involves a cut.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:15AM (3 children)
At least they can register now. Up until February of this year (2019) it was literally illegal for them to sign up for the Selective Service. The funny thing about that is that most of the people I know personally who are the most ardent "4th wave" feminists were actively bitching about the women who brought the lawsuit for selling out womankind instead of supporting their fight for literal equal treatment under the law.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday September 27 2019, @05:02PM (2 children)
Those of us who want equal rights want them for everyone, not just the privileged. It's going to take a long time for everyone to accept male nurses, for example. Or getting rid of the consept of discrimination in "safe spaces", or just the idea of safe spaces - every space should be safe for everyone, and anything less than that means we have more work to do. "Safe spaces " are an excuse to ignore the underlying problems while claiming to be making progress, kind of like turning up the AC to fix global heating.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 27 2019, @06:35PM (1 child)
5th vaporwave feminist tribalism is going to be great. That's where women form heavily armed manless communes and create synthetic embryos to reproduce. Females only, although they could make male children to molest and exile them at puberty.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:45AM
On a somewhat related note, since men still mostly want younger women, and women live longer than men on average, it would be logical for women to be more open to same-sex relationships as the default long-term relationship, rather than being doomed to spending a large chunk of the end of their lives playing nursemaid and changing diapers to cranky old men.
... and then being stuck being alone ...
... when they could have invested that time in building a relationship that wasn't doomed to end prematurely because of men's frailty as they age, as well as them becoming dangerous thanks to Alzheimer's and other dementia.
There have been a couple of documentaries about men in old age homes beating women residents to a pulp and they can't be charged because they are legally incompetent. I know one woman who had to place her husband because she was afraid after multiple police interventions with her husband, who had attacked several people, but had Alzheimer's.
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @12:43AM (2 children)
Where are these doctors who are doing it for free? Where are these cost-free infrastructure?
If there's free beer and pizza, wouldn't that end world hunger? Why give it to abortionists when you can give it to all the poor regardless of whether they are pregnant?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @06:13AM (1 child)
Nowhere. Presumably, they meant that it would be covered by the universal healthcare systems that exist in every first-world country except the US. And it would still be cheaper for taxpayers than poor people having children they don't want, so it's fiscally responsible, too.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Friday September 20 2019, @11:32AM
USA is no longer a first world country by most any definition.
Back when it was, maybe when boomers were young in the 60s, health care was incredibly cheap and not an issue.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @05:19AM (4 children)
Well put. The unborn baby has a major stake in the matter.
Men don't get pregnant yet, but we generally have laws that apply to both genders, preventing us from getting rid of inconveniences by murder or abandonment.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @06:22AM (1 child)
Just like there is no right to borrow or take someone else's organs or blood to keep yourself alive, there is no human right to reside in someone else's body against their will. So, it has a stake in nothing.
And that's really the only question: Is there a general human right to forcibly use someone else's organs to keep yourself alive, or not? The answer to that question is no; there is zero precedent for such a right. So, it doesn't matter if the baby got there due to people being 'irresponsible' or not, because regardless of that, it has no right to be there. Thus, the woman can - or should be able to - terminate the pregnancy at any time.
If you weren't so massively ignorant about the severe negative effects that pregnancy and childbirth not only can have on the body, but are likely to have, then you wouldn't be using the word "inconvenience" here. I know you most likely will never have to go through either, but do some damn research before spouting ignorant tripe. You can still have stupid, wrong, and hypocritical opinions about abortion without trying to frame pregnancy and childbirth as mere "inconveniences."
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday September 20 2019, @02:25PM
Insane ramblings justifying the killing of innocents by Anonymous Coward, seems legit. You don't want to have a kid. Great! Don't have a kid! Just don't make choices that end up with you being pregnant. Give the kid a couple years to make up their own mind and in 99.999% of cases, the kid would choose life.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday September 20 2019, @06:14PM
Back when you had the draft, you housed, fed, paid, and provided free health care and education to draftees. You want to require someone to be a mother for 18 years, be ready to pay for their service, same as any other draftee.
Or better yet, require that the fathers of embryos that are to be aborted submit to experimental embryo transplants using the large bowel as a placental blood supply , treatments with estrogen and testosterone-blockers, and a c section at 9 months. You get to keep the scar as a souvenir and a reminder to use birth control next time. And if you die (because pregnancy for women is much more dangerous than an abortion), too bad, should have thought about that before getting someone pregnant.
Or are you against gender equality?
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(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:56AM
The whole mess was tragic enough without getting into a useless emotional debate over whether a fetus can be considered a baby. We convicted the woman, and from a practical aspect if she had been convicted of two killings instead of one, she would serve the same time since the sentences would automatically have been concurrent - the law was only recently changed (in the last couple of years) to allow for consecutive sentences, and that has opened up a can of worms and legal cases that serve no useful purpose, unless you make your money off the legal system.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Fishscene on Friday September 20 2019, @04:18PM
Whether it's who to have sex with, who to marry, or terminating a pregnancy, if it's not your body that is being affected, it's not your choice.
Who's body do you think you're killing anyway?
I know I am not God, because every time I pray to Him, it's because I'm not perfect and thankful for what He's done.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday September 20 2019, @04:48PM
You forgot: covered by health insurance
Just like boner pills are.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.