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Morrow witnessed the exact moment when the hacker community turned on Lamo. It happened, in a stark way, at a Hackers On Planet Earth conference in New York. Hacker meetups were usually a great opportunity to party, meet new people and start new projects, but from the outset it was clear that post-Manning, this HOPE meeting would be different.
"The first day at the conference there were a lot of people yelling out 'snitch' and at least one occasion that I recall somebody spitting in his direction," Morrow recalls. "It was a rather divisive time back then. Something like this had never happened to the community. Up until that point, Adrian had been an inspiration, but that all turned. In their minds, or in the culture, the worst thing you could be was a snitch and I think that probably confused a lot of people. There was a bit of a mob mentality, people were just so taken aback that this happened."
[...] After the conference, there was no ambiguity about how the hacker community felt about Lamo.
"People hated him," said another of his friends, Andrew Blake. "He couldn't log on to any sort of interest platform under his actual name without instantly getting some sort of hate directed toward him. Even when Adrian would do something with the absolute best of intentions, as soon as anyone realized that it was Adrian Lamo who did it, they didn't want anything to do with it."
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Friday September 20 2019, @03:39PM (13 children)
well said. I am more inclined to believe that NPR is being manipulated to tell a convenient story.
I believe everyone like adrian lamo, and myself, are under extreme surveillance regimins. He was in kansas. There is no way someone could have murdered him without the government knowing about it and from this it is apparent they are trying to make it seem like 'scary mean hackers' must have somehow run some seal team 6 operation 50 miles from fort leavenworth and fort manhattan.
The system has no place for people like him so the moment no one is looking, 'mysterious death'.
The id sticker under the clothes is the aspect that made me really go whaaa?
The job of a journalist is to admit sometimes when we don't know what happened, and that is I think what they are resisting at the moment otherwise even NPR has to admit during morning rush hour that there is a not-so-mysterious dying-off of politically unwanted people in the united states.
See ferguson protestors, seth rich, michael hastings, nancy schaefer, the list kind of goes on.
What do you do if you realize that chuck norris movie Invasion USA is actually happening, but you can't tell who is behind it and it isn't the frickin cubans?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JNCF on Friday September 20 2019, @05:04PM (4 children)
What motive did the government have to kill Lamo? I've consistently argued (here and elsewhere) that they probably killed Michael Hastings. I believe that the US government kills certain undesirable citizens, I just don't see a clear motive here.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday September 20 2019, @06:53PM
What motive did the government have to kill Lamo?
Can it be more obvious [fineartamerica.com]?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday September 21 2019, @08:08AM (2 children)
Classic, he knows too much and pissed off the wrong people.
Israel would do it just because he's an intelligent programmer who might unravel their backdoors ten years from now.
Get it through your head, all intelligence that cannot be co-opted to build the prison intercom system is a threat to the prison intercom system.
I draw it out for you on a whiteboard even:
https://jmichaelhudson.net/4-important-drawings/ [jmichaelhudson.net]
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Saturday September 21 2019, @02:36PM (1 child)
Okay, let's continue this conversation with the following assumptions (which I think you'll agree with): people with intelligence and focus above certain levels who are working towards certain ends that the government disagrees with will probably be targeted by the government. Let's further assume that Lamo met the intelligence and focus requirements.
Why did the government target Lamo now? I get that he has a history of attacking society's infrastructure, but so do some other not-dead hackers. His recentish betrayal of Chelsea Manning, however, would seem to be in line with the government's interests. If I were them, I would see him as more of an asset to have mulling around hacker forums than a liability. Is this hit supposed to have been a delayed response to his earlier work? If Amir Taaki died under similar circumstances I would be leaning toward your interpretation of reality, but Lamo was a snitch who fed the feds useful information. Why him and not Taaki? Do you have a specific reason you think he was targeted, the way we have quotes from Hastings before his death about the new project he was working on attracting FBI attention? We can't just assume every intelligent hacker who ODs got murdered by the government, that's not a high enough barrier of evidence; intelligent people OD all the time.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Sunday September 22 2019, @08:30AM
At the end of the day it's going to boil down how much you trust your government.
After las vegas, seth rich, hastings, and a bunch of other mysterious deaths for instance the ferguson protestors, why not throw in Paul Wellstone, yeah at this point the United States has just as much of a problem of disappearances and deaths as russia. Boston and San Bernadino are also highly suspect after investigation.
I see it as more 'tying up loose ends.' For people on the inside of the system of surveillance and state control, you are either controllable directly like a robot, or you are not. They don't want you writing a book later and exposing their operational tactics and capacities, or worse.
Think about how bad it is though, I don't trust local kansas news to report it one bit. I also think the government, whatever it is, has the ability to probably also disappear him completly.
The autopsy found a sticker with his name on it under his clothes, what if they cloned a dead body to leave and now lamo is in a secure facility somewhere where he will never be seen again. I can't explain that sticker with any normal thing that might happen. It's f&cking odd. I'm surprised anyone even reported it.
Did you watch the imitation game? Turing allegedly saved the world but 10 years later all of the spooks who were kissing his ass during the war weren't there when he was being driven to suicide over dumb puritanical laws. Did they really want or need an academic researcher operating independently outside of their control? Nope. They take the work of your intelligence and leave you to die, hand your work to people who could never in a million years have done it, and they use it to tyrannize everyone, consolidate their power.
That's what they did to the inventor of the computer, I would not think you should expect much more. This is why most of what I write is of the sort of thing the mucky mucks will have to work hard to erase, I can no longer feed a system that is just a murder machine. It represents a complete forgetting of american history.
Like I have been saying, the magna carta and bill of rights is not in effect on our planet so anyone can be killed, disappeared at any time and the historical record after the fact can be altered or erased, this is the power the government now has due to basically the republican party selling out the american people.
The us miiltary, who is reading this without any doubt, I think needs to reexamine why they got into soldiering in the first place and decide if they want to be an american, or if they want to be vassals of some cabals in haifa. To me it looks like an army of wolves being led by sheep and traitors, which allows essentially foreign mafias to operate freely in the country wiping their ass with the american flag.
When the rule of law is gone, you can't trust anything. When the official story is an obvious lie, all we are left with is our imagination. But if that doesn't inform our level of trust to change to adjust to new conditions, that is what it means to be a cow, livestock.
And I am not a cow. I don't have to have the exact answer to what happens behind the curtain, but I am not getting on the conveyor belt because I at least know it's dumb to trust the guy with his hand on the lever. Other people arguing til the end of time over what specifically is behind the curtain, continue their argument on the conveyor belt and are distracted from the fundamental issue, giving someone else complete power over themselves as they approach the rotating knives.
Sadly, the operator has his eye out for the stock who refuse to drink the koolaid and then moves them to the front of the line.
(Score: 2) by Alfred on Friday September 20 2019, @05:13PM
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @09:07PM (5 children)
Your tone, focus and representation of yourself sounds very much like my late nephew.
Not just in this comment, but in most of the stuff you've been posting here.
I know it's really difficult dealing with schizophrenia. My nephew (he was only 20 when diagnosed) had the choice to take his meds and feel *nothing*, but without the paranoid delusions and hallucinations, or feel alive but see assassins behind every lamppost.
He chose to end his own suffering (his parents stopped him from doing so on at least a half-dozen occasions) and he suffers no more.
We remember him [bensmemorialmile.com] and try to help make things better for those who are afflicted with this terrible illness.
I'm sorry that you have to go through this and I hope that medical science will, sooner rather than later, give you better choices than my nephew thought he had.
My heartfelt sympathy goes out to you.
I don't
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @09:27PM (4 children)
URL gives an expired cert error, which could exasperate schizophrenics?
The Epstein saga has been like cotton candy to people like J-Hud. But there are more reasons than ever to be paranoid, at least in America. May we live in interesting times.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @09:41PM (2 children)
Yeah. It expired on September 1st. I texted my brother about it a little while ago. Hopefully they can get the cert renewed soon.
Paranoia can be really debilitating, sure. Not sure what Epstein has to do with it. He was just a garden variety scumbag who happened to have lots of money. As such, it took much longer to nail him.
As for those who think he was murdered to keep him from revealing all his secrets about the rich and powerful, I'd point out that there are several other folks who were aiding and enabling Epstein's crimes. They were involved and at all the same "parties." As such, they can testify to all the rich, powerful folks courted by Epstein.
His death changes nothing. If all those other folks have fatal "accidents" or "suicide," then you might have something. Unless and until that happens, it's baseless speculation IMHO.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @10:03PM (1 child)
Were you paying attention to the media firestorm in the days before, and particularly after, Epstein's death? It was the joke everyone was in on. Even mainstream media outlets found the death to be fishy, especially when irregularities about inattentive guards, broken security cameras, and the rest came out. Epstein is the JFK or Pizzagate moment of 2019 and his death will be fodder for conspiracies for years and decades to come. Even if it was only a mundane suicide, paranoid schizophrenics aren't going to buy that. That might be why J-Hud is mentioning Epstein in every other comment. It has become an essential building block for their world view. Online trending anti-pedo crusaders will become enablers for the most virtuous of schizos.
Instead of closing the book, any co-conspirators will only add fuel to the fire. A fire which has now engulfed RMS of all people. Very easy to throw "they are trying to stop open, secure software and hardware" into the conspiracy brew. Pro-Trump, Anti-Trump, Cheese Pizza, free software, everyone gets an angle with Epstein!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @11:29PM
Oh. I see. So now I should worry about what conspiracy theory nutters and the batshit crazy think?
There are already enough problems in the world and in my life that have actual evidence. I won't ignore those in favor of half-baked ramblings and paranoid bullshit.
Want me to care about your pet bugaboo? Show me some verifiable evidence that it's a real issue that has real impact.
The death of a piece of shit rapist/trafficking hebeophile and the fallout from that certainly doesn't rise to that level, IMHO.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @06:19AM
FYI...According to the folks who manage the site, a renewed cert should be in place within 24 hours.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @03:01AM
He visited the Sac 2600 meeting a few weeks before his monitor went off and his electronic privileges were reinstated.... with a cellphone, that he was constantly texting on. He also had the suggestion that people should use mylar sheets above and below their weapons to make them x-ray proof for travelling via airlines, and claimed he had done this a few months prior. Given what has come out since, he was an FBI plant back then, and the only reason he wasn't there longer is a twink misogynist friend of his got into an IRC spat with the sole remaining female member of that group and after she ripped into him, he refused to come back, and Lamo with him. I think he had a somewhat pretty girlfriend with him at the time, but she didn't talk much and could've been his handler for all I know. As to the drugs, he didn't seem high at the time, although he had that look like he was always working angles. Didn't really provide any great insight into pentesting either when asked, except that he couldn't software develop his way out of a wet paper box.