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posted by martyb on Saturday September 21 2019, @01:38AM   Printer-friendly
from the freeze-peach dept.

https://kdvr.com/2019/09/05/fort-collins-agrees-to-remove-topless-ban-from-public-code/

Colorado city officials have removed a topless ban from city law that inspired a Free the Nipple lawsuit.

The Coloradoan reported that Fort Collins City Council agreed Tuesday to remove language in the public nudity code that barred women and girls over age 10 from exposing their breasts in public.

City officials say the ban is expected to be removed Sept. 17.

Officials say a district court judge and a federal appeals court have ruled against the policy in the past two years.


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  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by DrkShadow on Saturday September 21 2019, @09:01AM (12 children)

    by DrkShadow (1404) on Saturday September 21 2019, @09:01AM (#896767)

    is that men don't feel they can keep themselves from raping

    You're obviously female, and you're obviously trolling.

    It's well accepted that the breasts of female humans (specifically) remain engorged at all times in an effort to emulate the buttocks and appear sexually appealing. As Women, not so much men, have defined Everything Sexual Is Bad, then it would seem that women have defined the ends of breasts to be bad, and so breasts have been restricted.

    Evolutionarily, breasts on humans (the only(?) mammal with continually engorged breasts) developed for sexual appeal, and so are purely sexual in nature. (They have other uses, but those uses aren't related to their engorged-ness.) Women define anything related to sex as bad (It's not sexual, it's art! Nudity isn't sex!), and so women implicitly define breasts as bad.

    Women are their own worst enemies.

    and there you go, talking about how "men can't stop themselves from raping." Of course, that is of course the only explanation, as generated by a psychic and parroted by the unquestioning followers.

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  • (Score: 2) by Common Joe on Saturday September 21 2019, @03:21PM (9 children)

    by Common Joe (33) <{common.joe.0101} {at} {gmail.com}> on Saturday September 21 2019, @03:21PM (#896823) Journal

    Umm... no. You were marked with a disagree, but I didn't see a reason, so I'll write one up.

    It's well accepted that the breasts of female humans (specifically) remain engorged at all times in an effort to emulate the buttocks and appear sexually appealing.

    By your logic, the smaller a woman's breast is, the less sexually attractive it is. A lot of guys don't believe that. It's not about how big breasts are. Some guys like them smaller. Some like 'em larger.

    And if you go to a nude beach, don't go looking to get laid. You'll be arrested. Breasts aren't viewed as sexual objects there. In fact, pubic hair, labia, and penises are not viewed sexually on a nude beach.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:32PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:32PM (#896842)

      By your logic, the smaller a woman's breast is, the less sexually attractive it is.

      Um, yes? If you disagree with that I would assume you have had your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears screaming "La La La La" for your entire life. Do you think the breast augmentation industry is there just for the lulz? Have you never seen a single porn movie (a media exclusively about sexual contact) and the women who perform in them? Any small chested actress invariably bulks up as soon as she gets her first paycheck. Ever been around a woman who expresses a hatred for another whose only stand out characteristic is large boobs? You can't deny it unless you are willfully ignoring the obvious.

      A lot of guys don't believe that. It's not about how big breasts are.

      And a lot of guys are gay. Most men prefer a woman who does not exhibit the body characteristics of a man or a young boy. A lot more are willing to settle but given a choice will nearly invariably choose the bigger bra size. It may not be politically correct, but it's true.

      One of my buddies used to claim he preferred small boobs when he was married to a woman with small boobs. You should see the jugs on his current wife. Now he thinks big boobs are the best. It's obvious his preference is the ones he can access at the time you ask.

      Some guys like them smaller.

      A tiny minority.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:58PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:58PM (#896847)

        As a man, I find it disgusting that your (and the AC to whom you replied) focus is *only* on what men find desirable.

        This isn't about sex or desire. This is about equality. Some random woman on the street doesn't care whether you like big breasts or small ones.

        As for the porn industry, that's an odd place to get your ideas about what women think and want. The vast majority of porn watchers are *men*. As such, much of porn is tailored to what *men* may find sexually arousing.

        I've got a flash for you: Unless you're *involved* with a woman, she doesn't give a rat's ass what you think about bodies or sex.

        And the fact that as you're talking about women in this discussion, it's only in terms of their sexual desirability *to you or other men*, says a lot more about your attitudes than it does about women. It's a pretty adolescent, IMHO.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @05:37PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @05:37PM (#896855)

          Spotted the pink hair activist.

          This isn't about sex or desire. This is about equality. Some random woman on the street doesn't care whether you like big breasts or small ones.

          Like it or not sweetie, women accentuate their boobs to attract men because it works. Otherwise push up bras, deep neck attire, and underboob would not be a thing. Feel free to rant and wallow in your disgust, but strip clubs, Hooters, Twin Peaks and topless baristas are real.

          As for the porn industry, that's an odd place to get your ideas about what women think and want. The vast majority of porn watchers are *men*. As such, much of porn is tailored to what *men* may find sexually arousing.

          Way to make my point for me without even being aware of the irony.

          I've got a flash for you: Unless you're *involved* with a woman, she doesn't give a rat's ass what you think about bodies or sex.

          That's not been my experience. Most of the women I know or have ever met are far more cognizant of others' opinions of their bodies than men ever are. Most of the don't care women I've seen are well outside competing in the market or else perpetually offended by anything sexual as was mentioned by someone else earlier in the comments.

          And the fact that as you're talking about women in this discussion, it's only in terms of their sexual desirability *to you or other men*, says a lot more about your attitudes than it does about women.

          That's the whole topic of this particular thread: the reasons for banning (or not) behavior based upon the potential for unwanted "sexual desirability *to me or other men*". Personally, I would never complain to cops for any woman showing their boobs, but lets not pretend that men do not like to look at them. There is a shitload of industries besides porn that take advantage of that very fact.

          Enjoy your disgust, but chew on this. For every one of you, there are tens of other women who would gladly take advantage of their looks to get advantages in life. Do you think Melania was attracted to Donald's dad bod? Do you think Hilaria just can't get enough of Alec Baldwin's wonderful personality? Every gorgeous woman knows if they can snare a rich dude they are one paternity suit away from a 20 year career of not working.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @06:10PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @06:10PM (#896864)

            AC you replied to here. Read this [soylentnews.org].

            I'm a man in my 50s.

            Your disdain for women makes me sad. Your dismissal of half the human race disgusts me.

            If believing that women have value other than as sexual objects, and deserve the same legal rights as men makes me a "pink-haired" activist, then so be it.

            I got your pink hair right here, jackass!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @07:48PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @07:48PM (#896903)

              I'm a man in my 50s.

              Sure you are.

              If believing that women have value other than as sexual objects, and deserve the same legal rights as men makes me a "pink-haired" activist, then so be it.

              I never claimed women deserved less rights. I actually agree with the ruling. I never asked for less rights. And I do believe that women have "value other than as sexual objects" too. I love my daughter and step-daughter dearly. I advise them all the time to stay far away from any relationship that might cause them dependence financially or otherwise. And all of this has absolutley jack shit to do with my original posting in this thread. You know, the one you ran off the rails on, to wit, my agreement with this:

              By your logic, the smaller a woman's breast is, the less sexually attractive it is.

              Nowhere did I say that the entirety of a woman's worth is her value as a sex object, just that many (who can) exploit their attractiveness to their own advantage.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @08:36PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @08:36PM (#896912)

                I'm a man in my 50s.

                Sure you are.

                If being born in 1966, having a 'Y' chromosome in all my cells, as well as a functional penis and testicles doesn't make me "a man in my 50s," then what does?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @06:38PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @06:38PM (#896872)

        i find many different breast characteristics attractive. I find it suspicious when a man can't recognize beauty in many different womens' physical (and other) characteristics. smacks of trying too hard or mentally fucked.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @06:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @06:42PM (#896873)

          Agreed. I'm on board with the entire flat to gigantic spectrum.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @08:41PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @08:41PM (#896914)

          I've been amazed over the years at who I've been attracted to. They run the gamut: short, tall, thin, curvy, large breasts, small breasts, blonde, brunette, redhead, loud, quiet, etc.

          The only thing that brings them all together is that I was attracted enough to them to attempt (and in many cases, succeed) to get to know them better and share some part of my life with them.

          That's not to say that some people have specific physical characteristics that attract them more than others, but the idea that breast size (or any other specific characteristic) is universal as a measure of attractiveness is ridiculous in the extreme.

  • (Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:47PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @04:47PM (#896844)

    You're obviously female, and you're obviously trolling.

    BZZT! Wrong on both counts. Like many SN users, I'm a male in my 50s.

    And am absolutely not trolling. Unless believing that discrimination is wrong equals trolling. Allowing men to be topless and not women is discriminatory. That's not a male/female issue, that's an equality issue.

    Women are their own worst enemies.

    and there you go, talking about how "men can't stop themselves from raping." Of course, that is of course the only explanation, as generated by a psychic and parroted by the unquestioning followers.

    My comparison to Arab societies was one of degree. Women are often required to be covered from head to toe in places like Saudi Arabia. And the arguments in those places are similar to yours: "Women's bodies are sexual and always so. As such, they must be hidden or women will corrupt men, because women are inherently lustful, scheming and bad and, as such, must be controlled."

    This is paralleled here in discriminatory laws about clothing. It's also paralleled in our culture, sexualizing female bodies in the media, making claims that women must not be allowed control over their own bodies (e.g. contraception, family planning, etc.), and your ridiculous claim that women think sex is bad, is moronic on its face.

    Women love sex just as much (and often more) as men do. What they don't love is folks like you treating them as sexual objects, instead of sentient beings with all the same rights as men.

    Please explain to me why women shouldn't have exactly the same legal rights as men.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @08:20PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 21 2019, @08:20PM (#896909)

    You're obviously female, and you're obviously trolling.

    And, by the general tone of your post, you're obviously misogynistic, and obviously have an ax to grind with at least some women in your life. How does it feel to be on the other end of the stereotype cattle prod ?

    It's well accepted that the breasts of female humans (specifically) remain engorged at all times in an effort to emulate the buttocks and appear sexually appealing.

    Yeah, a hundred thousand freaking years ago. Grow the fuck up, caveman.

    Who cares if breasts are made to be sexually attractive or not ? Do you think these tiny bikinis, skin-hugging dresses or fishnet tops aren't meant to be sexually attractive ? And yet are any of these illegal ? Claiming that it's the woman's responsibility to not incite sexual arrousal in men "for their own safety" is the same kind of retarded argument being made in shithole middle-eastern countries to keep women indoors unless accompanied by a man and to force them to wear hijabs.

    Women have been going topless on european beaches for decades. And men and women have been going topless or even fully nude in natural settings, saunas, and even city parks in some countries for just as long and even longer. Have generations of children been traumatised ? Have any of those countries turned into a rape-fest ? In fact, the levels of sexual assault in these countries are way lower than in those shitholes were women's clothes and whereabouts are heavily controlled by law.

    And I don't know about the OP, but in my case, I'm a man. A grown man.