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posted by Fnord666 on Monday September 23 2019, @01:17PM   Printer-friendly
from the axe-to-grind dept.

Thomas Bushnell, former maintainer of GNU Hurd until his dismissal by Richard Stallman, has opined in a biased blog post that the forced resignation of Stallman from MIT and the Free Software Foundation is deserved.

https://medium.com/@thomas.bushnell/a-reflection-on-the-departure-of-rms-18e6a835fd84

So Richard Stallman has resigned from his guest position at MIT and as President of the Free Software Foundation. You can easily find out all you need to know about the background from a web search and some news articles. I recommend in particular Selam G's original articles on this topic for background, and for an excellent institutional version, the statement from the Software Freedom Conservancy.

But I'll give you a personal take. By my reckoning, I worked for RMS longer than any other programmer.

[...]4) RMS's loss of MIT privileges and leadership of the FSF are the appropriate responses to a pattern of decades of poor behavior. It does not matter if they are appropriate responses to a single email thread, because they are the right thing in the total situation.

5) I feel very sad for him. He's a tragic figure. He is one of the most brilliant people I've met, who I have always thought desperately craved friendship and camaraderie, and seems to have less and less of it all the time. This is all his doing; nobody does it to him. But it's still very sad. As far as I can tell, he believes his entire life's work is a failure.

6) The end result here, while sad for him, is correct.

The free software community needs to develop good leadership, and RMS has been a bad leader in many ways for a long time now. He has had plenty of people who have tried to help him, and he does not want help.

MIT needs to establish as best it can that paramount are the interests of women to have a safe and fair place to study and work. It must make clear that this is more important than the coddling of a whiny child who has never reached the emotional maturity to treat people decently.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 23 2019, @04:54PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 23 2019, @04:54PM (#897662)

    True, but Michael Jackson was.

    Was it ever actually proven that Michael Jackson did anything?

  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday September 23 2019, @05:34PM (11 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Monday September 23 2019, @05:34PM (#897688) Journal

    No.

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    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday September 23 2019, @09:10PM (10 children)

      by Gaaark (41) on Monday September 23 2019, @09:10PM (#897802) Journal

      But we all know he did.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Monday September 23 2019, @09:37PM (9 children)

        by Freeman (732) on Monday September 23 2019, @09:37PM (#897822) Journal

        Which goes to show that the mere accusation in and of itself may be more damning than anything else.

        Job Interview Scenario 1:
        Why were you fired from your last job?
        Due to accusations of sexual misconduct, but they didn't sue me (or I was acquitted).

        Job Interview Scenario 2: (Still looking for a job.)

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        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 24 2019, @02:30AM (8 children)

          by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday September 24 2019, @02:30AM (#897920) Journal

          Oh, come on: he was grooming children for sex.

          How many grown men do you know who sleep with little boys who aren't called "Uncle Pervy"?

          Give. me. a. break.

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          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday September 24 2019, @04:51AM (7 children)

            by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday September 24 2019, @04:51AM (#897962) Homepage

            I started with no particular opinion on MJ (not a fan, thought him astonishingly immature, and mostly ignored his existence) but a couple things changed my mind:

            -- saw video of MJ playing in a pile with several kids. It was remarkably like watching a little boy playing with puppies for the first time, surprised and delighted that all the puppies love him. This isn't the behavior of a pervert. For contrast, observe Gropin' Joe around preteen girls, where it's all about having them in his power (however briefly).

            -- MJ's wife's kids are quite obviously not his. (Been a long time since I saw good photos, but I remember thinking they must be the offspring of some unknown white dude.)

            So I began to doubt MJ was sexually competent (ie. that immaturity was physiological), thus unlikely to get it on with kids. Wouldn't rule it out, but this is why I don't jump on that kneejerk bandwagon.

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            And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
            • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 24 2019, @07:43PM (4 children)

              by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday September 24 2019, @07:43PM (#898257) Journal

              Read up on serial killers, and pedophiles grooming kids: it is astounding how these people can seem to be the best person while conning parents and others while moving their agenda forward.

              MJ was grooming those kids, picking and choosing the most vulnerable, and when 'caught' moved to the child sex trade capital of the world: he could have gone anywhere in the world, but chose to go where he had access to children, no questions asked.

              Nope: it may be love to him, just love, but most people call it pedophilia.

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              • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday September 24 2019, @11:00PM (3 children)

                by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday September 24 2019, @11:00PM (#898309) Homepage

                Where, Belize? that seems to be where all the pedo types wind up. I've heard some ...interesting... tales from folks who've been there.

                I don't think sexually incompetent and 'interested in younger boys' are mutually exclusive. I don't doubt there was plenty of circle-jerking, that being the nature of unsupervised youth (and IMO MJ never matured mentally past about age 15 -- I wouldn't call him normal by any stretch). But I'm not sure I'd call it 'grooming' when the perp is so emotionally needy that he's looking for love any way and anywhere, and absent that, puppy-like adoration will do. It isn't good, or right, but I'm not (yet?) convinced he crossed the line to intentional harm.

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                And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
                • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday September 25 2019, @01:04AM (2 children)

                  by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday September 25 2019, @01:04AM (#898345) Journal

                  I'm old and my brain is going, but i thought i read that he had moved to Malaysia or Taiwan: that general area... can't remember.

                  I just don't buy it: if he was interested in 'children', why did he only invite little boys and not girls?

                  Here's some interesting stuff:
                  https://www.thoughtco.com/profile-of-pedophile-and-common-characteristics-973203 [thoughtco.com]

                  and a quick google search brought up this, with info about the pornography and picture books found in Neverland:
                  https://www.quora.com/Was-Michael-Jackson-really-a-pedophile [quora.com]

                  I dunno: if he WASN'T, then what WAS it all about???

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                  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:35PM

                    by Freeman (732) on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:35PM (#898640) Journal

                    Someone wanted a payday, because he had deep pockets.

                    Also, he's quite dead now, but I don't remember hearing he'd moved to any place outside of the USA.

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                    Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
                  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday September 26 2019, @03:14AM

                    by Reziac (2489) on Thursday September 26 2019, @03:14AM (#898919) Homepage

                    He got married the 2nd time in the Dominican Republic. Can't find anything about moving elsewhere. (Maybe thinking of McAfee? IIRC he spent a while in Belize, possibly for lamentable reasons.)

                    As Freeman says, more likely "deep pockets" has more to do with it than anyone's sexual predilections. Guy is dead and can't tell us, and I don't put much trust in kids' old memories; I remember the McMartin Preschool debacle all too well.

                    I'm old too (dang, when did that happen?) and spent the day fixing roof; by some miracle I did not fall off, but I think my brain is still up there...

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                    And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
            • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 24 2019, @07:47PM (1 child)

              by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday September 24 2019, @07:47PM (#898258) Journal

              Read Mindhunters, by the guy who started the behavioral science dept at the FBI to catch serial killers: they can seem perfectly normal while being rotten inside: it is their CRAFT, it is honed to perfection so they can do what they do.

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              --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
              • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:56PM

                by Freeman (732) on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:56PM (#898648) Journal

                The accusation was enough to stick with his name ever since, no matter that he wasn't convicted. Even, with the FBI's file supporting his innocence.

                On August 24, 1993, as the third leg of Jackson's Dangerous World Tour began, news of the allegations broke to the public and received worldwide media attention. Jackson cancelled the remainder of the tour due to health problems arising from the scandal. In January 1994, Jackson reached a financial settlement for $23 million with the Chandlers; and in September the criminal investigation closed after the accuser refused to cooperate and out of a lack of convincing evidence.[14] The allegations affected his public image and commercial standing, and several endorsement deals were canceled, including Jackson's decade-long Pepsi endorsement. Similar allegations were made by other parties in 2005, leading to a trial in which Jackson was found not guilty. In November 2009, five months after Jackson's death, Evan Chandler committed suicide in his apartment in Jersey City.[15]

                Jordan legally emancipated himself from his parents in 1994, at age 14.[when?][148] In 1996, Evan Chandler sued Jackson for around $60 million, claiming Jackson had breached an agreement never to discuss the case. In 1999, a court ruled in Jackson's favor and threw out the lawsuit.[35] In 2006, Jordan accused his father of attacking him with a barbell, choking him and spraying his face with mace. The charges were dropped.[149] On November 5, 2009, fourteen weeks after Jackson's death, Evan Chandler was found dead following an apparent suicide.[15]

                Music journalist Charles Thomson noted a continued media bias against Jackson after Chandler's suicide. Thomson said he was contacted by a British tabloid to supply information about the 1993 allegations, only to have them replace his carefully researched information with the misinformation he advised them to avoid. According to Thomson, when Jackson's FBI file was released the following month, the media reported that it created the impression of guilt, even though the file supported his innocence. He noted that Gene Simmons' allegations in 2010 about Jackson molesting children received over a hundred times more coverage than his interview with Jackson's long-time guitarist, Jennifer Batten, who rebutted Simmons' claims.[23]

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson [wikipedia.org]

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                Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"