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posted by janrinok on Wednesday September 25 2019, @02:37PM   Printer-friendly
from the constitutional-upset dept.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261

Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Johnson suspended - or prorogued - Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, but judges said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to Brexit on 31 October.

Supreme Court president Lady Hale said "the effect on the fundamentals of democracy was extreme."

[...]Delivering its conclusions, the Supreme Court's president, Lady Hale, said: "The decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification."

Lady Hale said the unanimous decision of the 11 justices meant Parliament had effectively not been prorogued - the decision was null and of no effect.

She added that it was important to emphasise the case was "not about when and on what terms" the UK left the EU, but about the decision to suspend Parliament.

Speaker of the Commons John Bercow said MPs needed to return "in light of the explicit judgement", and he had "instructed the House of Commons authorities to prepare... for the resumption of business" from 11:30 BST on Wednesday.


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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 25 2019, @04:09PM (12 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 25 2019, @04:09PM (#898589) Journal

    The people voted to leave three years ago in an election. The problems are due to an incompetent parliament. Which unfortunately, is a bad reflection on the people that vote for them, which really is a bad reflection on majority rule in general.

    God save the queen
    The fascist regime
    They made you a moron
    A potential H bomb

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:20PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:20PM (#898632)

    The truth comes out!!!

    Fusta is a monarchist, this explains his push to make people apathetic about voting. Yuck.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 25 2019, @06:11PM (4 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 25 2019, @06:11PM (#898655) Journal

      his push to make people apathetic about voting

      ?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 25 2019, @07:16PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 25 2019, @07:16PM (#898702)

        "Vote xyz so we can get election reform!"

        U: "Don't bother, if they identify as a politician there is no point! We need election reform first!"

        Eternal chicken and egg problem with your posts. Maybe you're just a naive idealist? But I'm sticking with "sowing apathy with an 'activist' attitude."

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 25 2019, @10:55PM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday September 25 2019, @10:55PM (#898818) Journal

          Meh, from here it looks more like "development stalled in 8th grade at the Hot Topic, thinks blanket knee-jerk cynicism is what the cool kids are doing."

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          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @01:59AM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @01:59AM (#898896) Journal

            thinks blanket knee-jerk cynicism is what the cool kids are doing.

            :-) Heh, you would know, even without a clue. But I'm a happy "cynic". Not the least bit angry, depressed, or suicidal, just because the people around me are nuts.

            Look outside the plane...

            Oh my goodness! The engine's on fire!

            Look out the other side...

            Oh dear! That one too!

            Which one do you wanna shut down?

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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @01:45AM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @01:45AM (#898888) Journal

          But I'm sticking with "sowing apathy with an 'activist' attitude."

          That would be because you don't know what you're talking about. You are just demanding that people play along with your favorite tribe. I'm asking people to look the other way, ignore the bling, and seek out what that want instead waiting for their mass media to feed them bullshit. It's a wild ass dream, but since what you people do isn't working so well, maybe you oughta take a chance, because, with a 95% reelection rate, all your complaining is also pure bullshit.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:09AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:09AM (#898981)

      Ferkin ass-kissing suck up to Royals, Fusta! What a total subject! A serf! A person of no freedom! There are no kings, because there are no longer enough monarchist suck-ups to make the system work! I suggest that Parliament vote to dissolve the British Monarchy, who are actually Krauts, after all, and use the fortune they hold for the best interests of the people of the UK, like buying milkshakes for each and every Briton that perchance encounters Nigel Farage, and paying for the NHS to the level it should be, and getting rid of the House of Dementia, also known as the House of Lords. Those bastards need to get real jobs, after we strip them of their wealth. Yes, this does mean that khallow will never visit the UK, but like the failure of British Racist Objection to Polish People Living Amoungst Them (BROPPLA), or "Brexit", this is a good thing. Keep a stiff upper, and carry on.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by HiThere on Wednesday September 25 2019, @06:11PM

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 25 2019, @06:11PM (#898654) Journal

    And before the vote they were told lots of lies, and they were also told "This is just advisory. We don't need to do what you recommend if we don't want to." And it was a very narrow passage (51%?), and a lot of legal voters weren't allowed to vote. Etc.

    Given all the problems the only thing that vote really proved was that people were unhappy with the government. In fact many voters explicitly said that they voted they way they did ONLY because the government wanted them to vote the other way.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by turgid on Wednesday September 25 2019, @10:25PM (3 children)

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 25 2019, @10:25PM (#898802) Journal

    This is a very simplistic analysis and it's wrong. I won't go through why for the umpteenth time, however "the people" is a misnomer. My sister didn't get a vote. As a result, she has had to take German citizenship. My best hope, living in England, is that Scotland votes for independence next year. If I am extremely lucky, my employer will find me a job on the Continent next year.

    Parliament is our sovereign democracy in the UK. We elect representatives to the house of Commons. Referenda have no legal weight and people like my sister were excluded.

    The referendum did not take into account the fact that the UK is made up of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, it treated us all like some sort of "average England."

    We now have openly fascist rhetoric in the popular press and in our Parliament.

    Finally, this rhetoric includes the old phrase "the will of the people." No such thing can exist in a free multi party democracy BY DEFINITION.

    We have a Parliament where our multiple parties can discuss and vote on policies.

    This Parliament should not be and must not be suspended, dispersed, prorogued of impeded just because it suits a particular faction of MPs in that very house.

    How dare they deny us our democracy.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:30AM

      by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:30AM (#898956) Journal
      ""the people" is a misnomer."

      True nutz. Always has been. I dare hope maybe my great-grand nephews might see something else. Then I check the news and it just more retarded insanity.

      "My sister didn't get a vote. As a result, she has had to take German citizenship."

      So she's a German national?

      "The referendum did not take into account the fact that the UK is made up of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, it treated us all like some sort of "average England.""

      That just doesn't seem to be true. It was broken down quite explicitly into 'constituencies.'

      "We now have openly fascist rhetoric in the popular press and in our Parliament."

      Do you indeed?

      "No such thing can exist in a free multi party democracy BY DEFINITION."

      Bullshit.

      More likely to be fabricated than real? I'd have backed you there.

      But no such thing? Oh please. Shut up and sniff my boxers, jackass.

      "This Parliament should not be and must not be suspended, dispersed, prorogued"

      Even though Parliament has previously been prorogued more often than not. Right. Ok.

      Don't sniff my boxers, actually. No, I'm not going to ship them to you. Go away.
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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:46AM (1 child)

      by dry (223) on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:46AM (#898964) Journal

      Something similar happened here in Canada about a decade back. Facing a no confidence vote the next day that the PM would lose, he prorogued Parliament, which was a shit move. One surprising thing was how many people, Conservatives, who were governing, went on about a no confidence vote and then the opposition parties forming government as a coalition with one party doing a supply and confidence agreement, was undemocratic. Like they have no idea how a Parliamentary democracy works. We vote for an MP and Parliament chooses the government, or rather who ever has the support of Parliament is asked to form a government by the Queens representative.
      We went through a similar referendum with Quebec (actually 2) where the stay side won by 51 or 52 percent. Afterwards the government passed the Clarity Act which basically said such referendums need a super majority so the will of the people is clear.
      Notice the leave side goes on about the decision being final, yet if the vote had been 51% stay, they'd be insisting on another referendum.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:15AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:15AM (#898985)

        Quebec voted to stay in the EU? Sacré bleu! Zut alors! Mon Dieu! And here I thought Canada was in North America, even if they are not very American, what with the "eh?" and "hosehead", and the Poutine. But they do suck up to the Brits, except for the Québécois, who Fart in their general direction.