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posted by janrinok on Wednesday September 25 2019, @02:37PM   Printer-friendly
from the constitutional-upset dept.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261

Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Johnson suspended - or prorogued - Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, but judges said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to Brexit on 31 October.

Supreme Court president Lady Hale said "the effect on the fundamentals of democracy was extreme."

[...]Delivering its conclusions, the Supreme Court's president, Lady Hale, said: "The decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification."

Lady Hale said the unanimous decision of the 11 justices meant Parliament had effectively not been prorogued - the decision was null and of no effect.

She added that it was important to emphasise the case was "not about when and on what terms" the UK left the EU, but about the decision to suspend Parliament.

Speaker of the Commons John Bercow said MPs needed to return "in light of the explicit judgement", and he had "instructed the House of Commons authorities to prepare... for the resumption of business" from 11:30 BST on Wednesday.


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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 25 2019, @06:58PM (16 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 25 2019, @06:58PM (#898692) Journal

    The majority as tyrant has always been a thing. Anarchy is simply the absence of authority. Rules without rulers. Voluntary cooperation is actually key in an anarchistic system.

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    La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday September 26 2019, @12:39AM (2 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday September 26 2019, @12:39AM (#898866)

    Voluntary cooperation is actually key in an anarchistic system.

    Yeah, you go for voluntary cooperation. While you're doing that, me and my buddies with AR-15s and this tank we took from the nearby former Army base are taking everything you own, and if you don't like that well tough. And if for some reason it's not me, it's the former business CEO offering lots of shinies for their armed guys, the religious fanatic cult that has been waiting for just this moment to take over, or the drug runners who have lots of experience in this kind of environment.

    That's the problem with anarchy: It turns into feudalism or civil war very very quickly. In the example most anarchists like to point to for how anarchy could actually work in practice during the Spanish Civil War, the fascists took them over in a matter of a few years.

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @02:14AM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @02:14AM (#898900) Journal

      Anarchism precludes the desire to rule. This is why it cannot exist, probably anywhere in this universe. But becoming human requires work towards that goal anyway, to leave people alone (if they ask) and show respect, otherwise they are just like any other animal.

      In reality, those super rich at the very top, they do live in anarchy of sorts. They are above all legal jurisdiction and do what they please. There's nobody to stop their wars, pillaging, and other crimes. But we do live under their rule.

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
    • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:12AM

      by dry (223) on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:12AM (#898982) Journal

      Actually the anarchists were doing pretty good until the Stalinist's showed up, divided the left between the authoritarians and the anarchists and then the fascists won. At least that's my understanding of reading Orwell.

  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @04:09AM (12 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @04:09AM (#898932) Journal
    "The majority as tyrant has always been a thing."

    No sir, I am afraid you are incorrect. For the majority of human prehistory and history, its not been a thing at all.

    "Anarchy is simply the absence of authority."

    Etymologically, perhaps.

    "Rules without rulers."

    And also without any explicit justification?

    "/Voluntary/ cooperation is actually key in an anarchistic system."

    That's philosophic anarchism. The interpretation I explicitly said I was NOT invoking.
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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @04:57AM (11 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @04:57AM (#898943) Journal

      No sir, I am afraid you are incorrect. For the majority of human prehistory and history, its not been a thing at all.

      Yes, it has. A majority with a big advantage is oppressive by nature. At a more personal level it's called "peer pressure". The majority understands its power and exploits it to its fullest. It's just another tribe, with all the same issues, demands for conformity, etc. It is and always has been very tyrannical. Democracy is only one level above your regular old tyranny according to that Greek guy. Not hard to see when you count the votes.

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:14AM (10 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:14AM (#898951) Journal
        The majority is defined as the majority of the relevant persons.

        For the vast majority of human history, if you did not support band leader $x, then you immediately ceased to be a relevant person.

        Good luck surviving the season and meeting back up at the tribal love shack.

        Of course, if you manage to do so, people will write songs about you and it's likely many bands will compete to attract you for the next season.
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        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:44AM (9 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:44AM (#898962) Journal

          The majority is defined as the majority of the relevant persons.
          For the vast majority of human history, if you did not support band leader $x, then you immediately ceased to be a relevant person.

          Yes, tyranny

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          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:48AM (3 children)

            by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:48AM (#898966) Journal
            No, that's much less than tyranny.

            "Support yourself or do what I say" is a long, long ways from "do what I say or I will kill you."

            Seriously?
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            If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:55AM (2 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:55AM (#898970) Journal

              Meaningless right wing talking point, not even worth mentioning any further. And watching people starve while throwing away food is just plain savagery, piled on top the tyranny.

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              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
              • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:22AM (1 child)

                by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:22AM (#898988) Journal
                "Meaningless right wing talking point, not even worth mentioning any further."

                Well I guess that's where we part company.

                "And watching people starve while throwing away food is just plain savagery, piled on top the tyranny."

                No disagreement there. None whatsoever.
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                If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:32AM

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:32AM (#898993) Journal

                  Don't take it personally. I just expected better.

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                  La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 1) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:54AM (4 children)

            by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @05:54AM (#898968) Journal
            Reading it again, you're half right.

            The thing is, humans don't have control over most of this stuff.

            People demanding protection from things no human could protect them from, that's one side.

            People offering protection they could not possibly provide, a second.

            But another level of insanity is required from those who were happy to 'pay their taxes' as well; you see?

            It's Geiger all the way down when you find the truly sick thoughts. Still, you must not flinch.

            Look the badthink in it's face and master it.

            Or die.

            Sometimes I wish I could die.

            Can you help me?
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            If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:01AM (3 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:01AM (#898976) Journal

              Sometimes I wish I could die.
              Can you help me?

              Yes. Stop it! [youtube.com]

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              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
              • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:19AM (2 children)

                by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:19AM (#898986) Journal
                Good video, but it doesn't seem to be advancing me towards death in any way.
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                If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:23AM (1 child)

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:23AM (#898989) Journal

                  Patience. You are advancing. You have my personal guarantee. In the meantime, go to the beach

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                  La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:31AM

                    by Arik (4543) on Thursday September 26 2019, @06:31AM (#898992) Journal
                    No thank you. Going to the beach is a long drive in order to expose my sensitive buttocks to nasty crabs. Happy to skip it and just call you full of scat. ;)
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                    If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?