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More (and ongoing) developments on the Whistleblower/Ukraine thing:
House Speaker Pelosi has begun an inquiry into impeachment of the president:
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763700264/trumps-ukraine-call-may-be-game-changer-on-impeachment
The (live at the time of this submission: 2019-09-26 14:30 UTC) House Intelligence interview of the Acting Director of National Security:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-49841920
The unclassified-version of the whistleblower complaint was released:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
As was the memo/pseudo-transcript (not 100% guaranteed as they are hand-typed, no recordings of calls are made any more in the US in the aftermath of Watergate) on the call between Presidents Trump and Zelenskyy[*]:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf
[*] Yes, Zelenskyy, see: Zelensky, Zelenskiy, Zelenskyy: spelling confusion doesn't help Ukraine.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:59PM (1 child)
Aside from Hillary loyalists, I think most people see the fact that they've been trying to impeach before he even took office, as evidence that their claims are hot air or sour grapes, and among those who do see it as a political hit job, are many who don't actually like Trump. I am in this group but I view the Democrats' action as a petty desperate scramble and an attempt to win by cheating (which doesn't surprise considering the deeply offensive primary process for 2016).
I also think there are plenty of voters who don't like Trump personally, but don't hate his presidency either. I'm in this camp mostly because he hasn't started any new wars (at least not yet) and stopped (or at least postponed) the TPP. You can't give Obama that sort of praise. I guess where I'm at is that between Trump and the DNC, they both look awful but at least Trump hasn't been out there starting wars, killing people, and laughing about it. The other part of this equation is that Obama eviscerated many voters' trust when Hope and Change turned into GWB 2.0. It makes it difficult to believe that the next hope/change-Democrat is going to act anything like the campaign propaganda.
Democrats need to learn that nostalgia for who they were in the 70s and pretty rhetoric will only go so far. People want to see Democrats do something that helps improve their lives, rather than trade sweetheart deals between themselves, run impeachment show-trials, and start or extend expensive deadly imperialist wars.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @06:32PM
This is why Biden promises "no change": https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/ [salon.com]