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posted by janrinok on Friday September 27 2019, @11:28PM   Printer-friendly
from the MS-are-good-guys? dept.

Microsoft revealed on Wednesday that it is fighting in court for the right to tell one of its large enterprise customers about a federal request for data hosted on Microsoft's cloud services. The data request came with an order prohibiting Microsoft from notifying its customer about the request, and Microsoft views the gag order as inappropriate.

"On Sept. 5, 2018, Microsoft challenged a secrecy order issued by a federal magistrate judge in Brooklyn, New York in connection with a federal national security investigation," wrote Microsoft general counsel Dev Stahlkopf. "Based on the limited information available to us in this case, we feel the secrecy order was too broadly drawn and is inconsistent with the U.S. government's policy that secrecy orders be narrowly tailored."

The Microsoft customer in question has thousands of employees. Microsoft argues that the feds should be able to identify someone at the company who can be notified without jeopardizing the investigation. However, a judge rejected Microsoft's request and left the secrecy requirement in place.

"We have challenged that order in the lower court, and we will pursue an appeal in the appellate court if necessary."

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:08AM (16 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:08AM (#899736) Journal

    Agreed. But, what is Microsoft's angle on this? Yeah, we have public relations reasoning, handed to the media. But, what is their real angle? I'd like to see their internal emails and stuff on the subject. It's near enough to Halloween to do another Halloween release on company policy, isn't it?

    You might say I'm cynical, but this is Microsoft we are talking about. We have about 30 years of validation for cynicism regarding Microsoft.

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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:44AM (9 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:44AM (#899751) Journal

    what is Microsoft's angle on this?

    Who cares? Just vote their handmaidens out, and we don't have to think about it.

    Does anybody get the message yet that we are the ones who hand them all this power, and only we can take it away, but we kinda have to go through channels?

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    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:24AM (7 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:24AM (#899780)

      I'm ready and willing! What channels? Which way do I vote to protect our freedoms and the US Constitution?

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:36AM (6 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:36AM (#899781) Journal

        The way you believe is best. Follow your nose. Abstinence from mass media can't hurt... Or you are perfectly free to follow everyone else if that is what you feel is best. But all voters must recognize their responsibility for the choices they make. It is those choices that creates their world. Their blame game is bullshit. It only reflects ignorance and arrogance.

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        • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday September 28 2019, @03:01AM (5 children)

          by RS3 (6367) on Saturday September 28 2019, @03:01AM (#899792)

          You're off on a tangent. I mean, I do vote, party doesn't seem to matter. It seems, to me, that power and control is more important to the people who claim to be "public servants"- putting themselves in power and control over the rest of us. I just don't see how to fix it. The "representatives" are not representing us, but are part of the problem.

          There are some and local state-level who are pretty good- I've even talked to some, and am amazed at how much they often are in touch with the people. But not at all at the federal level.

          I believe strongly that we could fix the system if enough of the sheeple woke up and voted in representatives who represent, serve, and want to clean out the power mongers.

          But one problem: we don't vote for everyone in each election. Too many old guard (no matter which party) stay in and pollute the new.

          I'm waiting for a solid actual usable doable suggestion, from anyone...

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 28 2019, @03:17AM (1 child)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 28 2019, @03:17AM (#899800) Journal

            I believe strongly that we could fix the system if enough of the sheeple woke up

            Like it or not, it is up to us, there just is nothing else but us...

            Microsoft's power comes from us. The path meanders a bit, but the chickens know where to come home.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:51PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @12:51PM (#899891)

              the flywheel of the political machinary is called "burocrazy".
              you can vote for one person all you want; if the "cogs and wheel" shuffeling information, calendars and documents dont agree the whole thing starts moving like molasses.
              voting is not magic, unfortunatly ...
              on a side note: a "shadow government" is most interested in a big burocrazy. it add inertia AND encourages corruption (short cut) giving the shadow government leverage because anybody that wants to be somebody needs to take the short-cut (corruption) to get ahead of the pack with the drawback that "not following the correct ideology" will get the public spotlight squarly shinning on them ...
              oh, and dont forget to vote!

          • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday September 28 2019, @05:45PM (1 child)

            by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday September 28 2019, @05:45PM (#899983)

            I believe strongly that we could fix the system if enough of the sheeple woke up and voted in representatives who represent, serve, and want to clean out the power mongers.

            They did! They voted in someone who told it like it was, would look out for the little people, and was going to drain the swamp.

            Think about it this way, though -- with the internet and Google's free services, a *homeless* person has enough resource access to incrementally research issues, compose communications, and interact with their representatives at all levels across administrations, and importantly, to participate at the same level in society at all scopes. We can't all be 16-year old Swedish girls [bbc.com] (at least in person), but aren't we all the power mongers now?

            My take, over the last three years, is that our existing *voting* system produces results favoring cohesion over all, while the Internet supports *diversity* -- which loses elections, and possibly disperses [sic] their representatives' focus so that unified, directional pressure from single-issue groups like the NRA directs the reps' agenda. Diverse groups would have to agree to become single-issue voters -- or maybe coherently [laser definition] back all the diverse issues equally -- to fight that.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @06:14PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @06:14PM (#899993)

              They did! They voted in someone who told it like it was, would look out for the little people, and was going to drain the swamp.

              Really? Who was that?
              Who, exactly, is "telling it like it is?"
              Who, exactly, is "looking out for the little people?"
              Who, exactly, is "draining the swamp?"

              Doesn't sound like anyone I know.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @09:25PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @09:25PM (#900054)

            ...if enough of the sheeple woke up...

            Are you insane? What are you trying to accomplish [xkcd.com] here?

            I hope they didn't hear you. Geez!

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:54PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:54PM (#899927) Journal

      we are the ones who hand them all this power,

      Whatchu mean "we", White Boy? What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? You got a mouse in your pocket?

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 28 2019, @01:39AM (1 child)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday September 28 2019, @01:39AM (#899768) Journal
    You're falling for the whataboutism argument fallacy. Their angle can be something as simple as "we don't want to spend money on this shit" for all it matters.

    I want to see what else TrumpCo is hiding on that secure server along with his asking Ukraine to interfere with the 2020 election ... maybe the Russians will leak it if TrumpCo stops whatever the two of them have going on.

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:38AM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:38AM (#899782) Journal

      I want to see what else TrumpCo is hiding on that secure server...

      More DNC emails...

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @03:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 28 2019, @03:35AM (#899808)

    Microsoft is a cloud company. Other companies don't want to do business with it if they are giving up data so easily.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/03/us_government_serves_microsoft_with_fresh_warrant_for_irishheld_emails/ [theregister.co.uk]

  • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Saturday September 28 2019, @04:03AM

    by Sulla (5173) on Saturday September 28 2019, @04:03AM (#899813) Journal

    Microsoft wants to know when their data is requested as well.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by datapharmer on Saturday September 28 2019, @11:04AM (1 child)

    by datapharmer (2702) on Saturday September 28 2019, @11:04AM (#899869)

    The cynic in me says their role is to file the suit and lose to set precedent for the courts.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:57PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 28 2019, @02:57PM (#899930) Journal

      That one resonates with me. It only costs a few millions to file a suit that you intend to lose. Those big government contracts make a few millions easy to waste.