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https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-monitor-violent-online-threats-light-joker-premiere/story?id=66031356
The FBI has received tips of threatening posts on social media calling for "unspecific mass shootings" linked to the release of the new psychological thriller, "Joker," starring Oscar-nominated actor Joaquin Phoenix that will hit theaters this Friday, according to a joint intelligence bulletin obtained by ABC News.
These threats have been circling online platforms since at least May 2019, but give no information indicating specific or credible threats to particular locations or venues, the bulletin said.
Some of the threats did contain references to a primarily online group called the involuntary celibate community, or Incels, and a subset that refers to itself as "Clowncels." However, the intelligence community doesn't necessarily regard the group as a whole as a violent one.
"While many Incels do not engage in violence, some within the community encourage or commit violent acts as retribution for perceived societal wrongdoing against them," the bulletin said. "Some Incel attackers have claimed inspiration from previous mass shooters."
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday October 04 2019, @06:53PM (19 children)
I hadn't realised that he might have meant something other than immigrants, i.e. people moving between countries!
I'm not sure why he chose to use that particular word instead of one that makes more sense in daily conversation; I don't think that it has helped his argument.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by nitehawk214 on Friday October 04 2019, @08:52PM (1 child)
I assume it is some sort of smokescreen to conflate the two. Convince people that dislike eternal september to also dislike immigration. Because "new people entering a place" = immigration or some bullshit. Shit, even I am too young to have been around for the beginning of eternal september.
Or maybe it is some dogwhistle for people over 50 and in technology, iduno.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Arik on Friday October 04 2019, @09:09PM
That's an incredible bit of projection there.
To take it seriously is to immediately disprove it. If I was trying to convince people that immigration is bad this would be a horrible example to do it. No one was born on the internet, without immigration the community would have never existed in the first place.
I don't think immigration is a bad thing, not at all. But reality is nuanced. Most things aren't just wholly good or wholly bad, they have complicated relationships with other things, they can have positive effects in one setting and negative effects in another, often simultaneously!
"Because "new people entering a place" = immigration or some bullshit."
That's not bullshit, that's actually what the word means.
"Shit, even I am too young to have been around for the beginning of eternal september."
And that does make it a difficult conversation to have. If you've never known what I am talking about, how could you be expected to miss it?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday October 04 2019, @10:30PM (11 children)
I think it's because he, like several other people on this site, is slowly becoming radicalized. The process isn't quick enough for the victim to spot it, any more than syphilis is, but to those who know the signs and can see it happening it's a kind of mental body horror. He was always a bit skewed, but I hate to think he's going to end up like Runaway or something...shame. There's enough fucking entropy around without people trying to become its living avatars.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 05 2019, @04:13AM (8 children)
I assume you meant Arik who seems to parrot the alt-right propaganda / emotional hysteria pretty often. I thought nitehawk was just making a dumb joke.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Saturday October 05 2019, @05:05AM (7 children)
That statement allows me to fairly confidently categorize you as an SJW.
Why? Because only that particular form of hysteria could justify quite such an absurdly wrong characterisation, in my experience.
The fact is I'm not alt-right, I'm not any form of right at all. I am and have always been a Yippie! [wikipedia.org]
If you frame me as a right winger that pretty much guarantees you won't understand a word I say going forward.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday October 05 2019, @08:11AM (6 children)
I see you can use a font that allows me to control what I see on my screen. I wish you would do so more often, please.
Or is that something that one had to do 'back in the day' when all we had was green screens and teleprinter-style keyboards? I remember them too, for I too was there. Perhaps I should blame the immigrants...?
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday October 05 2019, @08:45AM (5 children)
*Breathes deeply.*
YOU have control over what shows on your screen either way.
I think. I know I do. Are you less than me?
I choose a posting mode that interferes least with what I am sending. If I have particularly long link that would be disruptive and I want to abbreviate it to a single word, then I'd choose html mode and curse for some period of time as I go back through and tag all the <p>s and <blockquote>s and et cetera. I'm not setting that as my default mode, because it's a bunch of extra bullsquat to get the same results 9 times of 10. Because I don't need that ability anywhere near as often as I need the ability to see things like <brackets> and {curlies} and [braces] and
line breaks
show up as I intend.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday October 05 2019, @12:07PM (4 children)
So, let me get this right, I just want to understand your viewpoint.
The 'immigrants' (noobs) were/are wrong for not complying with 'accepted norms' regarding email formatting and they are, therefore, to blame for everything bad on the internet. But you can choose to format your comments differently from everybody else because 'you are just making life easier for yourself'. Perhaps you might apply that same principle to all the other internet users who do not want to do things your way with regards to emails?
Sauce for the goose, and all that...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:31PM
Arik is an example of a fucking snowflake brought up in the culture of exceptionalism. It's just me, me, me, me and fuck you, got mine. So what do you expect? It's just another middle-aged disillusioned blowhard blaming all his perceived ills on "the other" because he's too exceptional to see the very problems in himself.
Want to know how radicalism starts? You start with exceptionalism which is quickly followed by disillusionment because the world doesn't give a rats ass about your beliefs. But you can't blame your core values for it, you must blame another. So the easy skape goats come - the immigrants, jews, blacks, any "other" group. And then it snowballs from there.
(Score: 1) by Arik on Saturday October 05 2019, @06:13PM (2 children)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday October 05 2019, @07:05PM (1 child)
I'm understanding what you have written - I'm not sure if that is what you intended to say.
(Score: 1) by Arik on Saturday October 05 2019, @08:05PM
No. Not even close.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Arik on Saturday October 05 2019, @04:53AM
I think that's a bit of projection too.
I mean, really, you think I'm being 'slowly radicalized?" I've been a radical for my entire adult life, plus some. If anything I've been mellowing as I approach my dotage.
But, more broadly, yes, there's a slow process of radicalisation, or perhaps more aptly polarisation, affecting not just me, or a few posters, but the entire society. You too.
That's something I'm very concerned about, and I don't want to exacerbate it, I want to counter it. But I'm not going to try to counter it by being deceptive. I am what I am, I think what I think. If you disagree with something I say, you're always welcome to tell me why, and I will listen actively. I will try to understand. If we all did that, I think it would go a long way to counter this polarisation. But if we avoid each other and only talk to our own echo-chambers, then I fear our society is doomed.
"The process isn't quick enough for the victim to spot it"
Yeah, actually, it is. Even if you aren't good enough at introspection to spot it in yourself, it should be easy to see it all around you and extrapolate a little and realize it's probably affecting you too.
"He was always a bit skewed"
And just what do you mean by that?
Skewed? Biased? Well, sure, we all have biases.
I'm biased towards building things that make peoples lives better, rather than things that take those lives, or devalue them or make people helpless or hopeless. If that's what you mean by skewed, then great, I'll own the description.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Saturday October 05 2019, @12:48PM
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 05 2019, @10:52AM (4 children)
Or between outside the internet and the internet. To use a word slightly outside its normal context is a normal thing.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday October 05 2019, @11:29AM (3 children)
My dictionary, and several others that I have found on the internet, define immigrant as :
That are lots of alternatives for somebody who joins a group or established organisation: e.g. newcomer etc. Somebody suggested that 'noob' would have been much more appropriate to the idea he was trying to convey.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 05 2019, @12:05PM (2 children)
My take is that as long as we understand the meaning of the word, and it's not used to push a fallacy (for example, demanding we call ICE because there's immigrants, no doubt illegal, in SN - a poetic meaning rhetorically conflated to a stock definition from law).
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday October 05 2019, @12:15PM (1 child)
And that is exactly where the problem lay - several of us were unable to make the leap from immigrants to noobs - they are not accepted as being the same or even similar in meaning to each other. We didn't elephant your teapot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:51PM
To be fair, if there weren't the daily arguments about immigration going on right now, you probably would have gotten his meaning. Context is a bitch, especially on the internet, where people from many different places are all mixed together, reading each word in their own local context.