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posted by martyb on Tuesday October 08 2019, @09:37PM   Printer-friendly

How ICE Picks Its Targets in the Surveillance Age:

The winter after Donald Trump was elected president, strangers began appearing in a parking lot on southern Washington State's Long Beach Peninsula, at the port where the oyster boats come and go. Rather than gaze at the bay or the boats or the building-size piles of bleached shells, two men — one thinner, one thicker — stared at the shellfish workers. The strangers sat in their vehicle and watched the workers arrive in their trucks. They watched the workers grab their gear and walk to the docks. The workers watched them watching, too, and they soon began to realize that the men were from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. When the workers made eye contact, the officers nodded politely, but they said very little. For weeks, they just watched. Then the workers began to vanish.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:56PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:56PM (#904378)

    I'd put most of the blame on the previous system of tacitly permitting illegal immigration and employment, to benefit the Republican's clientele due to cheap labor and the Democrats by guaranteed votes once they got amnesty.

    If someone comes in and presents faked documents for employment, can you really expect a company to go and have the documents authenticated at their cost and still at their risk? You should be able to trust papers that purport to be issued from the government.

    In industries and locations where it is politically expedient to provide true enforcement of employment eligibility, the E-Verify program seems to be somewhat effective. I guess Tyson won't be forced to use it because of their economic weight in depressed areas, and the fact that the beneficiaries would be black Americans that get hired.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 08 2019, @11:47PM (1 child)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 08 2019, @11:47PM (#904403) Journal

    E-verify actually seems to work. The number of illegals at any given venue drops wildly when it is implemented. I've seen it work, first hand, at work. We STILL HAVE a few illegals, I'm very certain. But, most of our Latinos today are almost certainly legal. Since I have zero power and zero authority to investigate any individual, I can't be certain, of course. But I can say that all of the obvious illegals have left our company, and the not-so-obvious illegals have decreased.

    Maybe this is a good place to point out that not every Hispanic worker is an illegal? Many of us forget that there have ALWAYS BEEN Mexicans in the US. Not every Native American and/or Hispanic departed the American southwest when the US annexed what were Mexican lands. "Mexicans" have lived here since before there was even a Mexico, after all.

    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday October 09 2019, @04:55PM

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Wednesday October 09 2019, @04:55PM (#904789) Journal

      You'll know it's working when prices start inflating to pay the increased overheads that hiring legal workers entails. (Or alternatively when workers who have the force of the labor code working for them assert their rights, thus driving up costs from those who were exploited).

      And you may want to keep in mind that there have been instances of perfectly legal citizens being deported. Not many, but it happens. Which would be a case of the "obvious" illegals.... not being illegal after all. And maybe they got out of your company and started working someplace where they'd be allowed to stay and be (at least somewhat) respected.

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @07:50AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @07:50AM (#904577)

    If someone comes in and presents faked documents for employment alcohol, can you really expect a company to go and have the documents authenticated at their cost and still at their risk? You should be able to trust papers that purport to be issued from the government.