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posted by martyb on Tuesday October 08 2019, @09:37PM   Printer-friendly

How ICE Picks Its Targets in the Surveillance Age:

The winter after Donald Trump was elected president, strangers began appearing in a parking lot on southern Washington State's Long Beach Peninsula, at the port where the oyster boats come and go. Rather than gaze at the bay or the boats or the building-size piles of bleached shells, two men — one thinner, one thicker — stared at the shellfish workers. The strangers sat in their vehicle and watched the workers arrive in their trucks. They watched the workers grab their gear and walk to the docks. The workers watched them watching, too, and they soon began to realize that the men were from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. When the workers made eye contact, the officers nodded politely, but they said very little. For weeks, they just watched. Then the workers began to vanish.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @06:13AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @06:13AM (#904549)

    We have seasonal worker visas. Problem is there are people who don't qualify, or otherwise don't give a shit about our rules, that want to make American money in jobs "not even the blacks want to do", in the words of Vicente Fox.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @07:14AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @07:14AM (#904563)

    Problem is there are people who don't qualify, or otherwise don't give a shit about our rules,

    No, the problem is that rules have been made so excessively restrictive that most people who could previously comply with the rules can't any more.

    Its such a bullshit argument to raise the bar 100ft and then blame the people for not being able to jump 100ft high instead of blaming the people who raised the bar to such an absurd height.

    "not even the blacks want to do", in the words of Vicente Fox.

    Ah, you think you are clever laundering your racism through someone else. Nah, brah. You aren't fooling anyone.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @03:19PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @03:19PM (#904746)

      No, the problem is that rules have been made so excessively restrictive that most people who could previously comply with the rules can't any more.

      We have decided that at this point we only want exceptional people to come live in our house, because members of our own family in significant numbers are in danger of losing their livelihood with more strangers coming in. Strangers do not have a right to come to our house. Trying to do so otherwise is breaking in.
      You are trying to rationalize the thought process of a thief. "Oh, the bank has so much money, but they don't give me any. The bar is too high, I should just take what I want."

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @04:21PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @04:21PM (#904781)

        You are trying to rationalize the thought process of a thief. "Oh, the bank has so much money, but they don't give me any. The bar is too high, I should just take what I want."

        And your rationalizing is, to say the least, absolutely breath-taking. Most of these illegals are working minimum wage jobs. They ain't living the good life on the gravy train. Perspective, dude. Get some.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @05:36PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @05:36PM (#904813)

          I do not care what they work at. We didn't want them here. They stole themselves in anyway. Get them the fuck out now.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @04:45PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @04:45PM (#904786)

        And you are assuming that strangers coming in displace the 'family' workers. First, ignoring that unless you are Native American or Inuit that you or your forebears were once the strangers. So no, I'll reject your, "I got mine, fuck you," attitude. But second, you assume that any displacements caused are the worst thing, when immigration is actually generally good for the economy [publicintegrity.org]. For more than one reason [cbsnews.com]. Tell you what, let's do it your way. You can get back to me about how you feel when cherries are $15 per pound, your lawn costs $100 to mow, and your restaurant bill triples in the course of a year, and milk prices hit $7-$8 per gallon.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @05:53PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @05:53PM (#904819)

          Yes, and we had to follow the rules to come and work here. It was very involved, annoying and a lot of times disorganized. We were immigrants, but we followed the law.

          You really think that if not for Mexican slaves our lives would be unaffordable? Did the TV tell you that on behalf of the exploiting class? I guess that you work, supposing that you do, in a field that has not come under pressure by foreign invaders yet. But spare a few cubic millimeters of brain to consider that when Americans are employed, they will spend their money in America, possibly with your employer, and thus make your job a bit safer.

      • (Score: 2) by meustrus on Thursday October 10 2019, @04:37PM

        by meustrus (4961) on Thursday October 10 2019, @04:37PM (#905270)

        Exceptional people don't pick tomatoes or scrub floors. Your bank's "poor" facilities manager let some janitors in the back door anyway, because you aren't willing to pay him enough to afford "exceptional" (white union male) janitors. If he doesn't, you'll fire him and hire someone else who gets the floors clean without any of this uncomfortable and expensive talk about (colored) migrants.

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