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"The US House of Representatives has passed a resolution to formally proceed with the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.
The measure details how the inquiry will move into a more public phase. It was not a vote on whether the president should be removed from office.
This was the first test of support in the Democratic-controlled House for the impeachment process.
The White House condemned the vote, which passed along party lines.
Only two Democrats - representing districts that Mr Trump won handily in 2016 - voted against the resolution, along with all Republicans, for a total count of 232 in favour and 196 against."
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @03:31PM (10 children)
Oh come on. How do people buy into this sensationalism? Don't you recall, America was supposed to collapse when Trump was elected? Conveniently, the NYTimes jammed lots of their doomsday nonsense into single page. [nytimes.com] The markets were going to crash, we were going to enter a great depression literally "never" to recover. And America was generally going to die. Oh also, Trump was Hitler or something.
Lo and behold, he was elected, lots of people spazzed out, the markets did awesome, Hitler is still dead as ever, and life went on pretty much the same as it always does. I expect Trump will probably comfortably win in 2020 and end up with a mostly uneventful presidency, aside from the hyper-partisanship which I expect is probably a new normal rather than anything unique to him. The reason I say this is because impeachment seems to have been good for his numbers. He's now pulling ahead in the polls and, to my knowledge, pollsters have not radically changed how they poll so there is good reason to believe they are likely still under-polling his support. Go figure, there's probably a response bias when somebody calls you on the phone and wants to start asking about your political views. Can't imagine why that might be...
As for the democratic election, the establishment favorite has been Harris all along. Biden is never going to get the nomination because he is as corrupt as he is creepy - viral videos of him groping and sniffing little kids beats Howard Dean's "YAAAAAAAAAEEEAAWWW" by a landslide. He's only alive because the DNC and their media are using him as a strategic whipping boy. And so, because of that, poll numbers right now mean nothing. If most of Biden's support can be directed to Harris then she will indeed become the democratic nominee. And that should be pretty easy. I mean after all she has a vagina and high genetic melanin levels - and those are like the two most important traits for a president. I think DNC pollsters expected Harris' support to be higher from the onset but in a way this makes things even easier. Since she's a distant outsider, there's less media focus on her. And my god with the way the DNC debates are going, the less focus on anybody the better. The NYTimes is rubbish, but they were pretty much completely correct in that the winner of the DNC debates has been Trump. So we will probably see Trump vs Harris. And then everybody will be called sexist and racist once Trump wins because don't you understand!?!? She has a vagina AND high melanin content! How could you not vote for that!?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @03:52PM (9 children)
The US has been collapsing, have you really paid no attention?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:13PM (6 children)
How the fuck is this informative?
"The US is collapsing..."
That's information?
That's OPINION, completely unfounded in any actual EVIDENCE.
In the mean time, the economy's growing, to the point that the fed is actually starting to raise a little interest away from 0. Employment is massive (including especially for the terribly oppressed people with darker skin), and the systems of the democracy are so strong that partisans are sharpening knives for an unprovable sub-percentage point of hypothetical vote finagling (whether by suppression or cheating).
The closest thing to collapse that we have is angry partisans huffing and puffing like Marvin the Martian and talking about obliterating the earth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:25PM
They were at that point in 2016 but now they've done multiple cuts this year, repo bailouts [newyorkfed.org] and don't call it QE4 while investments and exports are falling. None of this is Trumps fault but at least pay attention.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @04:34PM (3 children)
Actually - I think the US may well be on the road to collapse. Consider all the money we borrow from China. Then, consider all the money we give away in various forms of bribes - errrr, I meant "aid". So, we dig ourselves ever deeper into debt, for the purpose of bribing other foreign nations to do what we want them to do. Call it empire, or oligarchy, or whatever, this is a surefire method of bankruptcy. To quote a boss I once worked for, "We do a lot of stupid shit around here."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @05:32PM (2 children)
So what if China is buying our debt. They only get paper that says we'll try to pay them interest. They can't repossess the Capitol.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:22AM (1 child)
Until they get to the point they see US trade skirmishes are more damaging than a true economic war. At that moment, they trash the US credit rating by selling the debt for cents on the dollar and nobody buys US debt for some good years. You reckon US-as-you-know-it survives such a scenario?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:51AM
The US can comfortably ignore the secondary market. If our general state remains strong, why would the Chinese hurt themselves by trying to fire-sale our bonds? If we are weak, we'll have a harder time selling new debt anyway.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @05:18PM
Heh, sensitive snowflakes gotta mod bomb to make themselves feel important.
Sorry pal, even RUNAWAY is agreeing. Pay more attention to reality, turn of Fox "news". Facts matter.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:33PM (1 child)
You used to buy a newspaper or turn on the news for a general overview of what's going on in the world. And news agencies made a killing delivering this and little more than this - maybe some funnies on Sunday. Today? That's a worthless product. I can not only see what's going on, for free, but can even get live first-person footage or even chat with folks in the areas where it's happening. Some guy with a journalism degree isn't exactly bringing a whole lot to the table anymore. News agencies started collapsing. That's when they started saying society was collapsing, and are still struggling but are at least for now managing to tread water.
News has become entertainment. Not funny entertainment, but drama entertainment. People in the past would tune into 'soaps' to find out what was going to happen next week. And the stories were always awful, people dying and killing one another, people coming down with awful illnesses, cheating, and all sorts of nastiness. Now the media has tried to turn real life into this. And it's not hard. Especially in politics dirt is pretty much the name of the game. See how the media now present the actors in their stories. Mueller wasn't just some old prosecutor with a good record, he was a hard hitting and hard ass old school prosecutor who wouldn't take shit from anybody and would get to the bottom of any case no matter how big or small.
Something I always say, and continues to ring true, is that this week there's a name you've never heard of in your entire life. By the end of next week it'll be a new hero or villain that you'll be a complete expert on everything about. Of course in reality you won't know anything about him at all. All you'll have is a Hollywood style caricature made with about as much depth as your typical Hollywood film. But nonetheless it'll be enough to draw an attachment to him, be it either because he's your new beloved hero or your new despised villain. The news has chosen to compete with social media by turning themselves into story tellers where drama and relevance is secondary to saying whatever is necessary to get you to click today, and then again tomorrow.
And so no. When I actually judge day to day life as I see it - I see literally 0 evidence of any sort of collapse. It's only when you get drawn into our digital new-age soap operas that everything seems to be collapsing. And I'll admit there's some damn good entertainment there, but I do make an effort to keep it all at arm's length if not only because of seeing what happens to people who get too drawn into the game.
(Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Friday November 01 2019, @05:10PM
News has become entertainment, and this was predicted as far back as 1976 in the Chayefsky/Lumet film "Network". You know the one-- "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"