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posted by martyb on Friday November 01 2019, @02:18PM   Printer-friendly
from the Red-Queen-Race dept.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50246324

"The US House of Representatives has passed a resolution to formally proceed with the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.

The measure details how the inquiry will move into a more public phase. It was not a vote on whether the president should be removed from office.

This was the first test of support in the Democratic-controlled House for the impeachment process.

The White House condemned the vote, which passed along party lines.

Only two Democrats - representing districts that Mr Trump won handily in 2016 - voted against the resolution, along with all Republicans, for a total count of 232 in favour and 196 against."


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  • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Friday November 01 2019, @04:37PM (13 children)

    by RS3 (6367) on Friday November 01 2019, @04:37PM (#914649)

    At the time I remember there were strong arguments for keeping Saddam Hussein in place for overall stability. However, and I'm not sure what my vote would be, what if someone like Hussein was maintaining stability, but also committing atrocities? I've heard similar argument regarding Bashar al-Assad of Syria, and that forcefully removing him (if possible) would pave the way for expansion of ISIS.

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @05:02PM (8 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 01 2019, @05:02PM (#914663) Journal

    I feel that slippery slope here, but I'll try - - -

    An "atrocity" in our western society is pretty easy to define. An "atrocity" in the Mid-east is something else. I don't think that any of us, who grew up outside of that tribal culture can truly understand it. In their views, it's pretty much acceptable to kill off the population of a village filled with rivals. Or, better yet, kill off the men, and steal their women, their goats, their camels, and rape their sons. That is the apex of civilization in the Mid-east.

    It is for this reason that Saddam Hussein can be credited with maintaining stability. He was hated, but his methods earned respect among his peers.

    Now, please don't presume that I "like" that. Or that I "approve" of it. I am merely stating fact, as clearly as I am able to. Arabs, Persians, and most of the rest of those people are NOT Christian, not western, not Euro, not American. The thing that ties most all of them together, is their history under the Ottoman. The Ottoman nurtured this tribalism.

    Bleahhhh - I'm not walking any further out on that slippery slope unless you insist, and I may not then . . .

    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Friday November 01 2019, @05:33PM (4 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Friday November 01 2019, @05:33PM (#914697)

      Yeah, thanks, it's very very complicated, with deep cultural roots, norms and values very different from Western, such that we Westerners just can't empathize or understand.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday November 04 2019, @08:10PM (3 children)

        by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday November 04 2019, @08:10PM (#915884) Journal

        No, it's understandable and can even be empathasized with. But it takes a heck of a lot more study, dedicated academic study, than what soundbite news will tell one. Just like thinking that because one has been to Virginia and Kentucky and watched HBO one understands and empathizes with the Hatfields and McCoys.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by RS3 on Monday November 04 2019, @11:02PM (2 children)

          by RS3 (6367) on Monday November 04 2019, @11:02PM (#916007)

          I agree with you. In my effort to be brief, I often fail to write that which seems obvious to me: yes, sure, given enough time and mental focus, most people could understand it, but too many have other priorities. As you described it well, they just accept what they hear in news soundbites, and miss much (most?) of the underlying story. "Popular misconception" is too prevalent in society.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday November 05 2019, @11:37PM (1 child)

            by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday November 05 2019, @11:37PM (#916606) Journal

            Yeah and you do have the core that even if the situation is understandable not many will produce the effort to do so, and people will continue to make judgments without all the information. And no, one can't know everything about everything within a lifetime, either.

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            • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Wednesday November 06 2019, @02:47AM

              by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday November 06 2019, @02:47AM (#916678)

              and people will continue to make judgments without all the information.

              Right there's the problem (that bugs me much- overconfidence!)

              But that said, how does a reasonable person know when they know enough about something to have valid opinions, worthy of sharing them such that others are enriched and society maybe enhanced?

              (ugh, me the non-philosopher...)

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:14PM (#914718)

      I've never forgiven them for that terrorist group Al Gebra.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:29PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:29PM (#914729)

      Oh NOes! Lookout! Runnyway is getting aroused!

      Or, better yet, kill off the men, and steal their women, their goats, their camels, and rape their sons.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @11:29PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @11:29PM (#914858)

        Runaway is only interested in getting peoples' goats.

  • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday November 09 2019, @10:25PM (3 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday November 09 2019, @10:25PM (#918414) Journal
    There were no weapons of mass destruction. Several hours before Colin Powell lies his ass off, I watched an interview with the site inspectors who stated that the aluminum tubes were not suitable for a centrifuge, that they were common construction materials (think scaffolding).

    Americans never got to see it. Between government censorship and self-censorship by the media, you got duped into an unnecessary war.

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    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday November 10 2019, @12:21AM (2 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Sunday November 10 2019, @12:21AM (#918464)

      Thanks. Actually, we did have some news coverage, I did watch it closely, and I was infuriated that the US military was invading Iraq. I remember that there were problems with inspectors and inspections, but it wasn't reason enough to attack. Something is terribly wrong, and I've never been quite sure what it was/is. I've heard of over-zealous and brutal police, but the US govt. doing so on that large of a scale?

      And, my frustration and embarrassment of the US govt. / military / lack_of_intelligence was just that: you mean to tell me the US intelligence community is THAT inept? Just what WERE they doing?

      BTW, I felt Powell was being a yes-man- telling Bush (it was Bush?) what he wanted to hear. Again, not sure why though. What a mess... And it just pissed them off and we had/have created Isis, Taliban, etc...

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Sunday November 10 2019, @01:31AM (1 child)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday November 10 2019, @01:31AM (#918485) Journal
        Bush wanted to invade, but let's face it, he couldn't order an attack on Saudi Arabia. Tony Blair went along with it, pretty much everyone else knew it was a pretext.

        The moral decline in the presidency goes back to Kennedy, who was a womanizer and paid for it with his life (he had thrown his back during a sexual liaison and was wearing a back brace, so couldn't duck when the shooting started.

        Then there was Johnson's secret war. Followed by Nixon. Ford wasn't really president long enough to do much damage, but was finally convinced he couldn't run because of the taint from pardoning Nixon. Nobody was buying his excuse that he had to pardon Nixon. Carter was the only president who, even decades later, is regarded as having integrity. Bush de was CIA - enough said. Clinton was another adulterer who lied under oath, and passed laws favouring neocon ideology. Bush jr was an alcoholic. With a history of cocaine use. Obama was a crackhead who had a hit list of over 3,000, backed by an opinion that he could order assassinations. He also sucked up to the banks, spending more taxpayer funds to bail them out of the consequences of their illegal frauds while it would have been cheaper to just take over the bad mortgages at a discount and not force people into bankruptcy. Trump - a crook.

        The contagion is spreading. Justin Trudeau illegally interferes with the prosecution of SNV-Lavalin for bribes to Libya's dictator. Alexander Boris Johnson wants to be a mini-me to Trump.

        What a mess!

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        • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday November 10 2019, @01:57AM

          by RS3 (6367) on Sunday November 10 2019, @01:57AM (#918493)

          That was an excellent summary!! Pulitzer candidate. Thank you.

          I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I cynically wonder if it's all a smokescreen for what's really going on. Keeps the press busy and off of the real crap going on.

          Yes, I've always liked Carter. He inherited an impossible mess. We (US) were too invested in the Shah of Iran and when that whole mess happened, well, we know what happened.

          Oh yeah, the "energy shortages" of the '70s- 2 major times OPEC cut petroleum production, caused huge gas lines (queues waiting for petrol), huge price increases, etc., all hurt Carter's image.

          From what little I know, I always thought that Nixon was mostly good for the US and world. He ended the horrible Vietnam mess and did much good overall. He said he was not a crook, right? I dunno, a little clever spying- I was a kid but I thought it was all very entertaining. I mean, how else do you follow a moon landing! ;)