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"The US House of Representatives has passed a resolution to formally proceed with the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.
The measure details how the inquiry will move into a more public phase. It was not a vote on whether the president should be removed from office.
This was the first test of support in the Democratic-controlled House for the impeachment process.
The White House condemned the vote, which passed along party lines.
Only two Democrats - representing districts that Mr Trump won handily in 2016 - voted against the resolution, along with all Republicans, for a total count of 232 in favour and 196 against."
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Trump Impeachment: House Votes to Formalise Inquiry
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday November 01 2019, @06:09PM (21 children)
The "secrecy thing" was a smokescreen thrown up by the GOP.
And that is just a smokescreen thrown up by the DNC
We permit too much secrecy all around. Removing an elected official from office has to be a public affair from start to finish. It's just a rule change we have to demand. It can be in a closed room, but with live cameras and microphones. It's the only way to keep it honest and reduce speculation and gossip.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Informative) by sjames on Friday November 01 2019, @07:12PM (7 children)
Sorry, no. Republicans who were actual members of the relevant committee protested their lack of access. That's just a farce.
The house is currently following established procedure. Effectively, the committee deliberations were discussions within the DAs office. Now it goes to a more or less grand jury process.
Do you believe that every DA's office should be televised?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday November 01 2019, @09:07PM (6 children)
This is an impeachment, not a criminal case.
No, we should not tolerate secrecy. "Established procedure" be damned. The public has interest in the entire matter.
Do you believe that every DA's office should be televised?
There is enough history of corruption and prosecutorial misconduct in those offices that we should definitely consider it. We need much more oversight and to put these people under the Sword of Damocles.
Put all the partisan bullshit on it you want. If the roles were reversed, I would be with the vast majority and modded up to infinity. We must demand transparency.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Sunday November 03 2019, @12:10AM
Well, then you can blame the Republicans in the last congress. They passed the rules that are currently being followed. For some insight here is an interview with the one person who has been present in all three modern impeachments.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/2/20941954/rep-zoe-lofgren-impeachment-trump-ukraine-house-pelosi [vox.com]
The GOP is just pissed their member got to be the first to test the new rules. Plus they have been part and parcel to the proceeding since the beginning. Including many in their smokescreen fake protest who could just walk through the doors as they had access all along. I say fake protest because they are protesting the Democrats following the procedures they put in place to make sure they could fuck with a D president. Just like the Dems voting in favor of using the nuclear option so long ago, it came back to bite them in the ass, hard. Because eventually the other side always gets to play on the playground. They write rules to give themselves more power, then shit themselves when the other team gets a chance at bat.
Perhaps the GOP should not of run a known grifter as a candidate?
Anyway, this is an investigation. Investigations are not done publicly anyway. It is NOT a trial, that is the Senates job.
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(Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday November 03 2019, @10:24PM (2 children)
The prosecutorial conduct generally shines through during the trial. The problem isn't lack of transparency, it's lack of consequences for the prosecutors when they misbehave.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday November 04 2019, @12:11AM (1 child)
Those lack of consequences are made possible by the lack of transparency. There is no reason to cut them this kind of slack. Private citizens are entitled to privacy. Those in authority are not.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by sjames on Monday November 04 2019, @12:21AM
If there was no transparency, we wouldn't know about the misconduct. We DO know, but nothing happens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @07:49PM
You know, you're right.
So, we should still do what was done in the past: The Department of Justice should appoint a Special Investigator in the Ukraine matter who has the full credence and might of the Executive department and reports to the Legislature with all due haste and extreme care for determination of the law and the truth whether or not the President has now engaged in any activities whatsoever which benefit him personally at the expense of the Nation's security for political purposes and that person would be allowed by the Attorney General of these United States to fully determine whether or not offenses were in fact committed that the House might then vote for impeachment on and I'm sure that it will all be at arm's length and that there would be no attempts by President Trump or AG Barr to sway this investigation or obstruct it or allow our Law Enforcement to fully..............
OK, can't do it anymore. Laughing too hard.
Put all the "Oh it should be sunshine and light" spin on it you want. The President is corrupt and the way he operates there is no way that the Executive can be trusted with the investigation aspect of the case. Mueller proved that.
And, by the way, you're about to get all the openness, light, and publicity you want. Fuck any notion of "too late." It will prove JUST how dirty this President is, and hopefully in a way that the entire Republican establishment will be shown to be corrupt in a way that they NEVER retain power again and and that party will dissolve to others who understand the difference between working for politics and working for the nation's interest when it comes to foreign relations. Because Trump and his ENTIRE asshole staff of sycophantic yes people from the AG to SecState to his ass licking Chief of Staff does NOT know how to do this.
Now let me tell you what I really think about your comment......
But seriously, that half of the country is taken in by this purest grade bullshit is the worst fear I have at showing America may well be entering the twilight of an empiric fall. Or that the Presidency is finished and must become an Emperor or King in order to hold the country together. Hope not. But Trump is sure as shit acting that way, ain't he?????
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday November 09 2019, @10:10PM
The republicans are making arguments based on the idea that the people are dumb as shit and will swallow whatever they feed them. And as far as their base is concerned , it skews strongly to the lesser educated - the "white trash" who are afraid they will be just another minority in 2024 so this is their last shot.
Their problem isn't their base - their base will do what they're told. The problem is independents. Clinton was too much to swallow so they either stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted for their local republican candidate. The only way for republicans to win is for Clinton to run again. That the old guard Democrats are pushing this shit yet again shows just how much influence money has on both sides.
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @12:33AM (12 children)
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday November 02 2019, @02:04AM
I haven't been modbombing you (and would be a modbombing Independent anyway...) but might I make a suggestion?
Git gud, scrub. By this I mean produce evidence, facts, and legal precedent to support your claims.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:06AM (10 children)
Looks like I'll have to come back for days to correct troll mods.
I say this as non-trump voting left of centerish independent: anyone who thinks this impeachment is not partisan bullshit has been wallowing in the bullshit so long, they can't smell the stink. If it works, this will probably be the time when historians look back at the ashes of America, and point to it as when the divisions became so deep and intractable that civil war was inevitable. Republicans are not actual nazis and Democrats are not actual communists. There are however, authoritarian assholes in both parties and it seems that Dems and Repubs are drawing up battle lines.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Reziac on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:45AM (9 children)
I agree, this is a watershed event -- because if this impeachment circus goes as the Dems hope -- henceforth NO president, of any party and however innocent, will be safe in office -- the opposition will find or invent whatever is required to take him down.
So, consider carefully: do you want our government to devolve into an ongoing series of coups? Because that's what this is going to produce.
[And mark my words: if they do manage to eject Trump, Pence's remaining life will be short.]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @06:57PM (8 children)
In your world, what crime could the President ever be impeached for? Blowjobs, yes. Involving foreign governments in our elections, no.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @08:55PM (7 children)
Involving foreign governments in our elections
Unproven purely partisan allegations by sore losers!
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Sunday November 03 2019, @12:21AM (3 children)
Well now, as it is now moving into the public arena, we shall see shan't we?
My prediction: The evidence will be overwhelmingly bad, but the senate will give him a pass to stay elected, Moscow Mitch has insinuated as much.
After that it will indeed become a very interesting time.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @02:21AM (2 children)
The evidence will be overwhelmingly bad
If the senate and the public is shown evidence confirming the witness testimony, they will convict. So far, all we are seeing is hysterics. Who ever thought that Chinese Whispers would become evidentiary? It's truly fascinating, could become terrifying...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @05:20PM (1 child)
Boring, the evidence us publicly available. Stop trying to fake news reality ya stupid shill.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @12:14AM
Only a corrupt system would admit hearsay as evidence. You have none so far. If you do have some, I will believe it when I see it.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday November 04 2019, @08:06PM (1 child)
Yeah. Believe that as you like. Or read the truth. [nytimes.com] And with the other facts, as NYT and any number of other sources will prove, you might understand the answer that the President has proven, and has publicly stated, he is fine with allowing foreign powers to bring him dirt on his political opponents.
Or..... where is the President's OTHER calls to other nations with corruption issues asking for investigations of specifically named individuals that have absolutely no political benefit to Mr. Trump. Yeah. He was asked that question and he'll get back to us on that one. Probably about the same time he freely releases his tax returns.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @10:20PM
The Times... The Truth! That's funny! They have you people climbing all over each other to buy limited Brooklyn Bridge time shares!
So sad to see how weak the rational intellect is against the tribal savage beast. It truly is the more dangerous and frightening aspect of this whole affair. The dark ages are alive and well
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday November 09 2019, @10:15PM
Heck, last election foreigners were not allowed to buy campaign hats from either side because foreign donations to election campaigns are also illegal.
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