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posted by Fnord666 on Monday November 04 2019, @08:34PM   Printer-friendly
from the how-dare-anyone-lie-to-congress dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

Mozilla is urging Congress to reject the broadband industry's lobbying campaign against encrypted DNS in Firefox and Chrome.

The Internet providers' fight against this privacy feature raises questions about how they use broadband customers' Web-browsing data, Mozilla wrote in a letter sent today to the chairs and ranking members of three House of Representatives committees. Mozilla also said that Internet providers have been giving inaccurate information to lawmakers and urged Congress to "publicly probe current ISP data collection and use policies."

DNS over HTTPS helps keep eavesdroppers from seeing what DNS lookups your browser is making. This can make it more difficult for ISPs or other third parties to monitor what websites you visit.

"Unsurprisingly, our work on DoH [DNS over HTTPS] has prompted a campaign to forestall these privacy and security protections, as demonstrated by the recent letter to Congress from major telecommunications associations. That letter contained a number of factual inaccuracies," Mozilla Senior Director of Trust and Security Marshall Erwin wrote.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @10:29PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @10:29PM (#915985)

    I get tired of government criticizing Google/Facebook/Twitter all the time when the real villains here are ISPs, Cable companies, Cell phone carriers that keep merging, Hollywood, and old media.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @10:52PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @10:52PM (#916001)

    I get tired of government criticizing Google/Facebook/Twitter all the time when *additional* real villains like ISPs, Cable companies, Cell phone carriers that keep merging, Hollywood, and old media don't get enough criticism. There should be enough criticism to go around. Don't stop beating on Google/Facebook/Twitter, just beat on ISPs and other network providers harder!

    There. FTFY.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday November 04 2019, @10:56PM (9 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday November 04 2019, @10:56PM (#916004) Journal

      Don't stop beating on Google/Facebook/Twitter

      Why? Can they block access to anything?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @11:20PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @11:20PM (#916020)

        They do so thousands of times every day.

        You just haven't been paying attention. Which is probably why you have the political ideas of a nine year-old.

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday November 05 2019, @02:58AM (6 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday November 05 2019, @02:58AM (#916099) Journal

          They do so thousands of times every day.

          Where? They have no influence on my connection. They do on yours?

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          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 05 2019, @03:33AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 05 2019, @03:33AM (#916108)

            Wow! you are thick, aren't you?

            Search engine results returned (or not), items added (or not) to your feeds.

            Pervasive tracking of your browsing habits impacting which ads are (not) shown.

            No, they aren't *directly* blocking access to specific sites, but then, neither are ISPs, at least not any that I deal with -- does yours? Which one is it? What sites do they block?

            You're (as usual) talking out of your ass and it smells that way too.

            • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by fustakrakich on Tuesday November 05 2019, @07:07AM (2 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday November 05 2019, @07:07AM (#916159) Journal

              Google/Facebook/Twitter cannot control access like the ISP can. And in various countries the ISPs do block access. Nobody else has that kind of power.

              You can block the ads if you find them offensive.

              Your anger is misdirected.

              And what's you doin' smellin' my ass??!

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              • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 05 2019, @07:33AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 05 2019, @07:33AM (#916165)

                And of course the moderator wants to be an asshole too... Carrying some kind of grudge. I guess it can't be helped. Cowards

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:12PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:12PM (#917556)

                Not angry at you. Just amused at your naivete and ignorance.

                Your posts are usually good for a laugh at your expense. Carry on!

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Tuesday November 05 2019, @06:15PM (1 child)

            by maxwell demon (1608) on Tuesday November 05 2019, @06:15PM (#916414) Journal

            Please tell, me, how many sites you visited today use Google Analytics? How many use Google Adsense? How many use Google Tag Manager? How many use googleapis?

            Note that all those fetch directly from Google servers. It allows Google to collect data on you. But in principle, it also allows Google to inject arbitrary malicious code. You may say Google doesn't do that, but can you say for sure it never will? Or that it indeed doesn't do that already on selected targets? Consider in particular those sites which load all their content over JavaScript. And now consider that they also load JavaScript from Google. That JavaScript can arbitrarily modify the site's JavaScript in your browser, and nobody will see it except by analysing the JavaScript you received. And yes, that's the JavaScript you received, as it is well technically possible to serve different JavaScript to different people.

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            • (Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Tuesday November 05 2019, @06:36PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday November 05 2019, @06:36PM (#916431) Journal

              Please tell, me, how many sites you visited today use Google Analytics?

              I can block google and javascript. The ISP is the much bigger threat. Oversight of service provision and keeping the market open is much more important than getting all hysterical over content provision that can be trivially filtered out.

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              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 05 2019, @08:32AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 05 2019, @08:32AM (#916177)

        On their own platforms, yes, but they can also conduct mass surveillance on the populace, and the data from such surveillance can then be fed to governments. If you don't make quite a bit of effort to defeat their surveillance (uMatrix, uBlock Origin, altering browser settings), then the amount of data they can collect about you while you're browsing sites that have nothing to do with them is extraordinary. Average users don't know much about technology or tracking, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be spied on by third party thugs like Google, Facebook, etc.

        Then, Facebook has shadow profiles about people who don't allow themselves to be used by their disservice. If someone uploads a picture of you without your consent and tags your name, well, Facebook now has your facial recognition data and a nice little profile about you that they can expand over time. Don't think that not being a Facebook Used will save you from their surveillance.

        Google is slowly taking over the web with disservices such as Recaptcha. The amount of sites that ask you to fill out a Recaptcha is insane. In my case, since I use uMatrix, those websites simply don't function and I can't use them; they are defective by design. The amount of websites that use this garbage will only increase with time, since apparently no one can have local captchas anymore. Ordinary users who don't block this tracking will just be subject to yet more data collection.

        Our privacy laws should be so strict that these companies are forced to cease to exist. Of course, these are the same governments that benefit from mass surveillance to begin with, so only an overwhelming public backlash could possibly get them to do anything about it. If you don't see the problem, then you're part of the problem.