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posted by martyb on Wednesday November 06 2019, @03:50AM   Printer-friendly
from the papers-please dept.

The deadline of yet another, and perhaps the most insidious, element of the post-9/11 initiatives (a partial list of which includes the establishment of the Transportation Security Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, and a never-ending international war against a nebulously-defined, noncorporeal enemy, "terror") is less than one year from coming to fruition. Beginning no later than October 1, 2020, citizens of all US states and territories will be required to have a Real ID compliant card or US passport to board a commercial plane or enter a Federal government facility. Pundits citing the inevitability of what amounts to a national ID card have, regrettably, been vindicated.

https://www.aier.org/article/while-you-slept-government-created-internal-passports/


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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 06 2019, @05:21AM (10 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 06 2019, @05:21AM (#916723) Journal

    I can't really see why this is an issue? Most countries in the world have some kind of internal ID mechanism, why do Americans not want it?

    Because we have this funny notion delusion that the government works for us and not the other way around

    FTFY

    For a govt that actually work for their citizens, take the Norway's govt as an example, with impressive results to show [wikipedia.org].

    Ah, yes, by the by, the Norway govt do require their citizens identify themselves with a Norwegian identification number [skatteetaten.no] to access their services. This is to show that "national id" and "who's working for whom" are orthogonal.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 06 2019, @05:53AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 06 2019, @05:53AM (#916728)

    But I bet you can't stay in Norway without a national ID so long that your kids (who also don't have an ID) are applying to college and wondering if they'll get deported to a country where they don't even speak the language. It's almost like the USA doesn't bother to enforce some laws. No. Wait. It's exactly like that.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 06 2019, @06:16AM (2 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 06 2019, @06:16AM (#916731) Journal

      And...?

      No, really, it's a genuine question: what exactly is your point?
      I can see many possible interpretations and I have this feeling there may be others that I don't see.

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      • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by RS3 on Wednesday November 06 2019, @04:45PM

        by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday November 06 2019, @04:45PM (#916860)

        By definition ACs just think it's kewl to write stuff in a little box, click "Submit", and see it published online. Woe dude, awesome! The usefulness of the content is hit-or-miss.

      • (Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday November 07 2019, @12:03AM

        by sjames (2882) on Thursday November 07 2019, @12:03AM (#917050) Journal

        AC may be hinting that there are extra problems when the rules change mid-stream, especially when no provisions are made for that.

        For example, getting a "real ID" can be quite a problem if you don't already have an ID. Many don't because it wasn't required at one time if you didn't drive.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday November 06 2019, @07:08AM (5 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Wednesday November 06 2019, @07:08AM (#916739) Journal
    Having a passing familiarity with that lovely country, I'll hazard a guess that the key to their relative success is that their officials, and their population in general, are remarkably uncorrupt and liberal.

    You wouldn't get the same results with the same system in the USA, or in AU for that matter.

    While I would love to import the cultural properties that help Norway here, I still wouldn't want to import their system.

    Having all the people counted and registered and collated and prepared for the government makes things a little more efficient, when the government is good. When it goes bad? Either domestic tyranny, or an invasion, or a 'color revolution' and boom all that information is now in the wrong hands.

    In this day and age, it's likely the russian mob already has it for sale.

    A little inefficiency is a price worth paying to avoid that.

    But, in our context in the USA, I don't think it's even a trade off. The current system is more than sufficient. There is no legitimate reason to 'upgrade' it - but many nefarious ones.

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    • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday November 06 2019, @02:39PM (4 children)

      by legont (4179) on Wednesday November 06 2019, @02:39PM (#916806)

      Interestingly, Norway is number 6 in military spending per capita which makes it number two right after the US if we discount crazy governments. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-who-spend-the-most-on-military-per-capita.html [worldatlas.com]

      Does liberal correlates with militarized?

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday November 06 2019, @05:45PM (3 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Wednesday November 06 2019, @05:45PM (#916883) Journal
        I'd say it correlates with being a small country with a relatively tiny population positioned uncomfortably near much larger and historically aggressive military powers, which nonetheless desires to remain independent and in control of their own space.

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        • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday November 06 2019, @10:53PM (2 children)

          by legont (4179) on Wednesday November 06 2019, @10:53PM (#917030)

          I seriously doubt they can resist such powers with any level of military. If they do take it seriously, they should have develop and deploy nuclear weapons. Therefore I suspect they use the power to keep the population in check. Not directly, mind you, but by using propaganda: "join the army or else" type.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 06 2019, @11:35PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 06 2019, @11:35PM (#917037)

            You would probably be surprised if you read about the Winter War - Finland fought off Russia (and GB, but I think the other Allied left them alone). It's not impossible.

          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday November 07 2019, @05:12AM

            by Arik (4543) on Thursday November 07 2019, @05:12AM (#917194) Journal
            Yeah, no.

            The point is not to make it utterly impossible to be conquered, of course. They're quite aware they can't do that. They've been conquered many times - most recently by Germany in WWII.

            The point is to make sure that any invasion will cost more than it is worth. It's deterrence.

            And since they joined NATO, that's another level to it as well. They assume that NATO would come to their defense - but not that their allies are permanently on standby ready to scramble at a moments notice. So in the case of invasion, they'd be hoping they only need to hold out a relatively short time before allies start showing up.
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