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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday November 07 2019, @08:11PM   Printer-friendly
from the Neo-Malthusian dept.

From Bloomberg:

Forty years ago, scientists from 50 nations converged on Geneva to discuss what was then called the "CO2-climate problem." At the time, with reliance on fossil fuels having helped trigger the 1979 oil crisis, they predicted global warming would eventually become a major environmental challenge.

Now, four decades later, a larger group of scientists is sounding another, much more urgent alarm. More than 11,000 experts from around the world are calling for a critical addition to the main strategy of dumping fossil fuels for renewable energy: there needs to be far fewer humans on the planet.

[...] The scientists make specific calls for policymakers to quickly implement systemic change to energy, food, and economic policies. But they go one step further, into the politically fraught territory of population control. It "must be stabilized—and, ideally, gradually reduced—within a framework that ensures social integrity," they write.

Others disagree, stating

Fewer people producing less in greenhouse-gas emissions could make some difference in the danger that climate change poses over time. But whether we end up with 9, 10, or 11 billion people in the coming decades, the world will still be pumping out increasingly risky amounts of climate pollution if we don't fundamentally fix the underlying energy, transportation, and food systems.

Critics blast a proposal to curb climate change by halting population growth

Journal Reference:
William J Ripple, Christopher Wolf, Thomas M Newsome, Phoebe Barnard, William R Moomaw. World Scientists' Warning of a Climate Emergency[$]. BioScience. doi.org/10.1093/biosci/biz088


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:24PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:24PM (#917569)

    FTR... It was welfare court which was next door to work comp court where I was. Black lady had 8 kids clinging on to her ranging in age from a few months to early teens. Don't tell me she wasn't abusing the system because I've tried to help welfare people get a job. They don't want to fucking work.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:28PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:28PM (#917572)

    Which welfare court? On what date?

    Are you *certain* that this wasn't both the mother *and* grandmother of these kids, with their parent(s) incarcerated for burning plants?

    Oh, and by the way, the average "payout" for a child through TANF/SNAP is about $140/month.

    Could you support your child on $140/month? Please.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:54PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:54PM (#917604)

      What the welfare slime said about 25 years ago when I offered him a job where I was the manager... "I want a management position making $15/hr" which was more than I was making, and "Why do you work when you can stay home and collect welfare and get high like me?". Never helped them out again. Their welfare was spent on meth or booze while their kids didn't even have milk in the fridge.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @12:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @12:14AM (#917651)

        What the welfare slime said about 25 years ago when I offered him a job where I was the manager... "I want a management position making $15/hr" which was more than I was making, and "Why do you work when you can stay home and collect welfare and get high like me?". Never helped them out again. Their welfare was spent on meth or booze while their kids didn't even have milk in the fridge.

        How do you know this? Did you look in the guy's fridge? Did the guy even have children?

        What's more, one experience is enough for you to paint a huge group with the same broad brush?

        You're not even an idiot. Calling you one is an insult to idiots.