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posted by janrinok on Tuesday November 12 2019, @09:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the what's-mine-is-mine-and-what's-yours-is-mine dept.

On 4 November 2019, Techcrunch published an interview with Thomas Philippon, author of the book The Great Reversal: How America Gave Up on Free Markets, where he discusses the diminution of competition in many US market sectors.

From the Techcrunch article:

Economist Thomas Philippon's new book, "The Great Reversal: How America Gave Up on Free Markets," went on sale this past week, highlighting the United States' failure to block the country's largest companies from inhibiting fair competition.

"The broad picture is that competition is good, but surprisingly fragile," he said. "In today's environment, the U.S. is moving from a place where it was at the forefront of having free markets that worked pretty well for most people to being a laggard in many industries."

Philippon's premise isn't exactly breaking news, but the interview and his book give some good background as to how we got where we are, and how other nations are addressing these issues more (in some cases, much more) effectively.

The deregulation of major U.S. industries like telecom and energy in the 1970s and 80s sparked competition that lowered consumer prices and drove product innovation between competitors. Europe, on the other hand, lagged behind with more expensive internet, phone plans, airline tickets, and more until around 2000 when a major reversal of this trend began. Strikingly, when the EU strengthened deregulation and antitrust efforts to open its markets to more competition, it was the U.S. that reversed course.

[...] Based on Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) data, the U.S. now has more regulations for opening a new business than every EU country except Greece and Poland — a complete reversal since 1998, when only the UK had fewer rules than the U.S. Per capita GDP growth in the EU outpaced that of the U.S. over 1999-2017. On a purchasing power parity basis, Americans have experienced a 7% increase in prices (relative to EU residents) for the same goods, due specifically to increased profit margins of companies with reduced competition.

The reason for this divergence? According to Philippon, corporate incumbents in the U.S. gained outsized political influence and have used it to a) smother potential antitrust reviews and b) implement regulations that inhibit startups from competing against them. As a result, the U.S. regulatory system prioritizes the interests of incumbents at the expense of free market competition, he says.

What say you, Soylentils? Is competition truly dead in many sectors of the economy, or are there ways to bring it back and keep it?


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday November 12 2019, @11:34AM (13 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 12 2019, @11:34AM (#919318) Journal

    We want liberty so that everyone can pursue their own happiness without collectivisation fucking up the whole.

    Are you saying collectivism is inherently bad? No matter how large or narrow the scope, no matter of the willingness of the participants that chose to share, it will result in a fuckup?

    It goes: liberty >>> autonomy >>> power >>> happiness

    You are either deluded or have a pretty limited imaginations if that's the only way you see to reach happiness.

    politics should propagate private and individual means of production and housing, so that we can stop being dependant on a bigger entity to simply live and when we want to enter the glorious free market

    Oh gosh! Really, really? Like the libertarian dream, except handed to you on a plate by government?
    Like in "Dear govt, gimme gimme and when I see fit, I'll enter that market that you keep free for me"?
    Where do you think those 'politics' get the stuff to give you, teleported from the starship Enterprise straight from the replicators?

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 12 2019, @11:43AM (12 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 12 2019, @11:43AM (#919323) Homepage Journal

    You are either deluded or have a pretty limited imaginations if that's the only way you see to reach happiness.

    As much as I'd like to say you're full of shit about that, you're dead on the money. Way too much of humanity are happiest when they're essentially well-treated and protected slaves. Unfortunately for them, you really can't count on slave owners to be especially altruistic.

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    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Tuesday November 12 2019, @11:58AM (11 children)

      by acid andy (1683) on Tuesday November 12 2019, @11:58AM (#919328) Homepage Journal

      Yeah the well-treated and protected bits are so last century.

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 12 2019, @12:17PM (10 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 12 2019, @12:17PM (#919339) Homepage Journal

        You'd think the slaves bit would be too but it appears to be inherent in human nature to not want to face having to make your own decisions and live with the consequences of them.

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        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday November 12 2019, @02:45PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday November 12 2019, @02:45PM (#919394) Journal

          For too many people, its 'make a stupid decision and blame someone else for the results'.

          For politicians, its make a stupid decision and rake in the money. :(

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        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by acid andy on Tuesday November 12 2019, @03:31PM (8 children)

          by acid andy (1683) on Tuesday November 12 2019, @03:31PM (#919410) Homepage Journal

          When all the job offers you get are to work in conditions amounting to such slavery, your own decision regarding your immediate future becomes one between that slavery, trying to make a go of a self-sufficient hunter / gatherer lifestyle, or begging, borrowing or stealing. For many people, the slavery appeals as the least worst of those shitty options.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:47AM (2 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:47AM (#919703) Journal
            So what happens when that's not the case? It's tiresome to have this same argument over and over. Sure, somewhere in the world there's people without choices. But how relevant is that to the rest of us who do have choices? TMB is getting at a universal problem. People often choose this sort of slavery.
            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by acid andy on Wednesday November 13 2019, @11:13PM (1 child)

              by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday November 13 2019, @11:13PM (#920056) Homepage Journal

              So what happens when that's not the case?

              Yes, we get it. That's the only case that really matters to you.

              It's tiresome to have this same argument over and over.

              Yes, it's redundant. You can easily stop now and agree to disagree. But you don't want to.

              Sure, somewhere in the world there's people without choices. But how relevant is that to the rest of us who do have choices?

              Yes, khallous, we've already established that you don't care [soylentnews.org] about the ones without choices. I do. Accept this, agree to disagree and move on.

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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 14 2019, @03:54AM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 14 2019, @03:54AM (#920190) Journal

                So what happens when that's not the case?

                Yes, we get it. That's the only case that really matters to you.

                So what if that were true? Point is you're ignoring most of humanity, particularly in the developed world. Lip service to the "slaves" of the world just means we ignore the people who aren't. Policy based on that myopia just means you create more slaves not less.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 13 2019, @01:19PM (4 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 13 2019, @01:19PM (#919814) Homepage Journal

            Oh do fuck off. There are plenty of jobs out there with working conditions that vary from epic to cocktacular, even for the utterly unskilled. None of which even remotely resemble slavery. Coal mining a hundred years ago, that resembled slavery. And that's without even disputing the entirely wrong notion that jobs are magically shit out by the Corporate Fairy. Cut the bullshit socialist propaganda.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @05:59PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @05:59PM (#919944)

              Many slaves were treated quite well, except for the threat of their lives being taken away from them. All the modern day system has done is tack on a few letters. They theeaten your livelihood, and for many people especially those with families it is tantamount to slavery.

              Sure it isn't quite as bad as it used to be, but that doesn't make the comparison wrong. Wage slavery is real, it is just spread out so people can be suckered into focusing on individuals and thus miss the greater picture.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 13 2019, @08:23PM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 13 2019, @08:23PM (#919994) Homepage Journal

                Sure it isn't quite as bad as it used to be, but that doesn't make the comparison wrong.

                It's not even remotely close to as bad as it used to be and yes that does make the comparison utterly wrong. Working at a coal mine meant you work all day for less than you got charged by the company store, company utilities, and paid for company housing. You literally couldn't leave because of all the money you owed them that they would demand payment on as soon as you quit.

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            • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday November 13 2019, @10:19PM (1 child)

              by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday November 13 2019, @10:19PM (#920032) Homepage Journal

              Then why do people have to settle for working for a pittance for a large, successful e-business that has them pissing into bottles because they aren't even allowed reasonable bathroom breaks? Clearly not everyone has the kind of options you daydream about.

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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 13 2019, @11:15PM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 13 2019, @11:15PM (#920057) Homepage Journal

                Because they're cowardly or grossly misinformed about how much better working for a corporation will make their life. Big corporations don't control all jobs. They don't provide a majority of them and they don't create more new ones each year. And that's entirely discounting working for themselves. So, yes, everyone does have those kind of options. Whether they choose to exercise them or not is entirely on them.

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